This right to bear arms has no place in "modern society."

[Gman]

Look at every "modern society". The only difference is that they have professionals that can fight their battles for them.

We're not as evolved as some make us out to be. We're an infrastructure collapse away from going full cave man.

[SuperiorDG]

If we ever actually achieve a "modern society" in which no man intentionally does harm to his fellow man, then firearms will naturally fall out of favor, without the need to legislate such. I mean, who would choose to carry a tool for which he has no use? Until such a time, I'll choose to equip myself with useful tools.

I was thinking this very thing last night. The fact that these "primitive" behaviors are currently taking place is proof that the right to bear arm is still needed and not outdated.

[SuperiorDG]

This has always been a pet peeve of mine as well SuperiorDG. I've always been bothered by this concept that we are rapidly evolving as a species. I think that the reason people are so quick to embrace, and so strongly embrace this idea of constant, and even rapid, behavioral development, is that they feel that if they accept that people aren't as evolved as they hope for, that it would some how be the same as accepting bad behavior as okay. I could be wrong, but I'd be willing to bet that it feels too much like a slippery slope situation for people who long for an "evolved" society. If they accept that people are still capable of atrocities, that it is a thin line between accepting that there are still bad people, and just accepting that bad behavior wholesale because, oh well, we're just human.

As a person who thinks about such things I don't feel that personally I am going down that slop. The psychology of this is a modern thing however. It's the Freudian psychology of building a shell around one's psyche to protect it from the world of pain and suffering. These shells need protecting because reality is constantly showing that we are not who we thought we were. We as a society I think would be better off if we looked at who we really are, primitive in actions, so we might see what we need to consciously control in our behavior. The one that says, "I could never do that," is the one who when situation comes says, "why did I do that?" I know you are a reader Irving so I think you might enjoy the book, "Anti-Oedipus Capitalism and Schizophrenia," by Gilles Deleuze. It goes into this idea.

[Irving]

Superior, of course you don't feel like you are going down that slope, as you have already accepted and understand the reality in which we live; rather than falsely assume that the subject is black and white.

[hatidua]

I've always been bothered by this concept that we are rapidly evolving as a species.

If I were to guess, I suspect each generation thinks they are the ones that are finally enlightened enough to begin acting in a way that surpasses those that came before them. My wife and I had a conversation centered around this concept yesterday when discussing the shooting at UCSB and the notion that kids get bullied in school and the repercussions thereof over time. She, being an enlightened/PhD-holding/evolved person, seems to think that society can rid ourselves of hazing/bullying/hierarchy/all evils. I fall a tad to the other side of the fence in that I do not think that the emergence of iPhones/Facebook/Twitter/KIK/Etc. has magically moved society 50 notches forward on the evolutionary scale.

I'm not suggesting that I wish upon those of you who have children the recanting of stories at dinner about junior being bullied. However, if you have a couple of wimp/gay/nerd kids, you can pretty much plan on it, this year, as well as 50/100/500 years from now. Bullying isn't going to ever go away, neither is racism, sexism, or any other ism. We are humans and overall equality isn't going to happen. If it were, Rwanda would be on equal footing with Monaco - which simply ain't gonna happen - ever.

You can wish for world peace, pie in the sky, and a free lunch. -doesn't mean you are gonna to get it through.

[kidicarus13]

Homo sapiens will always give unwelcomed attention to those not like the majority. Get used to it and prepare your children for reality.

[Gman]

Bullying isn't going to ever go away, neither is racism, sexism, or any other ism.

...which also includes the unhealthy dose of narcissism that social media and modern parenting has fostered.

[Ronin13]

Are we really evolved? Are we moving forward as a species, or better yet, as a society (meaning the USA)? I remember hearing stories of how when my dad was in HS in the 1970's kids would have their rifle in their gun rack on a Friday afternoon because they didn't have time to run home after school and pack for a weekend hunting trip. Today, that would evoke a SWAT response, the nearby surrounding schools within 5mi would be on lockdown and Michael Moore would be creaming his pants. Is that forward evolution? Again, using my father as an example, back when 3.2% beer was legal for 18+, when he was 16 years old and going out and rescuing hikers and climbers with Alpine Rescue Team. These days? I wouldn't trust most 16 year olds to make it through an AED training course successfully. We no longer allow kids to take out their frustrations on each other at 3 o'clock at the flagpole, we no longer instill a respect for life in our kids, so instead, they cope by going on a murder rampage. We've raised a generation of children that cannot fathom what it would be like to be denied something, be it their Facebook, or XBox, or smartphone with unlimited plans and streaming video service. Shoot, my friend's 15-year old daughter just lost interest with a boy at school because he doesn't do anything... he doesn't hunt, fish, build things, no hobbies, nothing, he just "hangs out" with his friends. And this is the new norm. I cannot tell you what kids are into these days with all of the apathy and social media culture. Kids are more spoiled, entitled and bratty than they've ever been. And worse of all, no one is responsible for anything anymore, especially the parents! They might have it backwards, many in modern society have no business being around guns, they can't be responsible to treat them how people like those of us on here do, with respect, responsibility, and accountability. People who shoot up schools, movie theaters, college campuses, etc are no longer responsible for their actions, it's always something else, some excuse, some scapegoat, it's never the person that's evil, it's always the tool, the video game, the musician, the movie, the comic book character. /rant

[Superorb]

^^ Yup, couldn't have said it better myself.

Humans have been around for what, 50,000+ years? And the idiot progressives think that there has been so much evolution in the past 50 years compared to the last 50k. It's just not possible to evolve that much over such a short period of time, the blink of an eye in the grand scheme of things. But I guess they need to forward their agenda NOW, not a few thousand years from now.