Police Brutality is not just for blacks any more

[Tristan]

I don't have another solution, but that doesn't mean that I'm not allowed to be against laying down and having my rights trampled. My esposa is from El Salvador and is a resident alien. Why should I be stopped at a check point every time because she looks hispanic? If I've done nothing wrong, then I shouldn't be disturbed at all. I guess if you haven't done anything wrong, then you wouldn't mind getting a cavity search at one of those check points right? I mean, you have nothing to hide right?

lol, I guess it would depend on how hot she was, he-he.
And, again, you're being ridiculous. Why would I get searched, let alone a BCS if I've done nothing wrong.
And, again, offer a better solution. You're saying the same thing again. Bitching about your wife being hispanic (as is my ex) and being profiled. I know. But what better idea do you have? How can one not profile? There are choices here. To profile or not to profile. So, if we don't profile, and let every hispanic pass unobstructed, well, that would kinda defeat the purpose, eh?
So why are you blaming fellow Americans instead of the bad illegals who caused all this shit?
And you tell me how an officer is to determine whether you and your wife are BGs or not.
And, again, how are your rights being violated? I still don't see it.

[Irving]

ssf467 already gave you the better solution, NO check points within the borders. You want more than that? Every year, every business in the states is audited and the legality of every employee is checked. Those who aren't legal are deported. I'm against big government, but if companies aren't going to filter their employees, then they've forced the government's hand to do it for them. Many companies run back ground checks before hiring people, but I feel like they dig up too MUCH info that way. For example, it shouldn't matter if you are a felon or something, if you've served your full time.

Perhaps a better way would be to audit companies and see what they are paying people. No one is paying illegals MORE than they would pay a legal person. If you force companies to pay at least minimum wage, then hiring illegals for the SAME cost as a legal person will no longer be so alluring. I don't like that idea either though, since I'm not sure where I stand on the concept of a minimum wage. Besides that, you can't legislate behavior, so you'll never be able to rid the country of crooked accountants etc.

I don't have all the answers, but that should never exclude me from pointing out what is a bad, or even illegal, way to fight a problem. Just because I don't have the answers to solve every economic problem, or even just one, does NOT forfeit my right to bitch about injustices.

[Tristan]

Agreed 99%. Especially on the companies bit.
But it would be logistically impossible to put the checkpoints at the border.
And anyone with officer military training would also know why you don't put checkpoints at the borders themselves. You have to have strategically located spots, and that's where they are.
And with no checkpoints....
Trust me-read my earlier post about sportsman's. I can't stand illegals. Especially since a lot of companies offer better wages to anybody that is bilingual. But whatever.
I understand venting. But things need to be accomplished. But blaming fellow Americans and the good folks who put their lives on the line to protect YOU really pisses me off.
Hell, I've been shot at by the bastards. My solution is a little extreme.
But, I still have to hear how anybodies fourth amendment rights (which is what this is supposed to be about) got violated.
Preacher boys' didn't. He resisted arrested and did not comply with a lawful order after a dog (which are pretty infallible) fingered his car. Or what, as officers, they're supposed to let every tom dick and harry tell them what to do?
Silly.
He's lucky he didn't get it worst. People are scared. So try to their job, being afraid. You don't know who to trust and who not to. You don't know by skin color, accent or anything else who is a BG.
Then you get somebody who just wants to argue with you. Blah.
I'd of kicked his ass worst.

[Irving]

I've been thinking about police dogs lately. It seems to me that it'd be pretty easy to train a dog to bark at a car with a code word. Then, you could search whoever you wanted, whenever you wanted.

[Hoser]

I've been thinking about police dogs lately. It seems to me that it'd be pretty easy to train a dog to bark at a car with a code word. Then, you could search whoever you wanted, whenever you wanted.

Not everyone. Just the ones with the tin foil hats that are on way too tight.

[ChunkyMonkey]

These are old arguments. As long as the DA office refuse to prosecute business owners, whichever way you do it is pointless. Whether it's a check point or business place warranted raid, individual like you and I will always cry out privacy infringement or harassment -- NONE works obviously. And don't get me started on how the Social Security Admin is tight lip about how much SS benefit they collects on 'fake' and misused SSNs.

There is delicate balance between state security and individual freedom.
E.G.
1. I want the fed to be more aggressive on illegal immigrations, but I am against National ID/Finger Printing!
2. I want strong border patrol, but I hate to be treated like illegals (supposedly equally) whenever I am close to the border!
3. I want strong coast guard, but I dont want to be hailed everytime I go beyond few miles off shore for deep sea fishing!

Why in the hell border patrol wants to have a check point miles and miles within the border while they cannot even secure the damn border itself is beyond me though.

[jackmode9316]

I've been thinking about police dogs lately. It seems to me that it'd be pretty easy to train a dog to bark at a car with a code word. Then, you could search whoever you wanted, whenever you wanted.

I dont think the actual cops assigned to the dogs are the ones who train them though. But I see what you mean.

[GunTroll]

I've met two police dogs. Great at there work they were!

[Irving]

For the record, I don't actually believe people train police dogs to bark at cars on command, but it wouldn't be difficult. It likely WOULD be a waste of time though. I think that most cops, even the ones who are the biggest assholes in the world, are a million times more interested in busting someone who is actually running drugs, than they are in ruining joe schmoe's day.

[Irving]

Sick and tired of the "well they work for the government, so they must have done something wrong, and they are all out to get you" logic applied to EVERYTHING.

I'm glad you brought this up, as I was just thinking about this the other. If people think that just because someone is a government employee, that they are insiders on some power grabbing plan, they are sadly mistaken.

That is why spending so much time on line is dangerous. It's too easy to forget that the people working for the gov are still just clueless people trying to make a living.