Another sign how CO is failing

[Colorado_Outback]

I guess I won't subtly make my point which is funny because I don't really disagree with you.

So....
Active shooter/ shooters outside (and most shooters want to get inside the theater, school, church, hospital, whatever), everyone go to each exit and swing the doors open to do what you please..... bedridden terminal cancer patients might even thank you.

And on a lighter note.... what if the hospital was told by the police not to let anyone in or out?

Haha, I dont disagree with you either. That's why I would be looking to make my escape instead of hide in a room waiting to be shot. Given the opportunity ill be considerate and pull the door closed behind me.

The more I think about it the legality of it doesn't matter much at all. Attract enough attention to your self in a situation like that and you'll end up getting charged with something.

But seriously though, if I want to exit the building and potentially face an active shooter, or a half asleep heroin addict in his car with a bb gun isn't that my right?



Haha.

Gotta punch the clock at job #2, ill catch you fellas later.

[Jer]

I tend to side with freedom & liberty on this one. If I want to leave... I'm leaving. There is nothing that says I can't (other than some company rules which I never agreed to) and everything saying I can. If I'm being arrested they can detain me otherwise I'm free to go and this includes a hospital. I also would rather take my chances outside with my firearm and ability to flee than trapped inside with the other sheeple just hoping the big bad man doesn't come in and start mowing everyone down. It seems that keeping large groups trapped inside of buildings against their will is exactly what these gunmen want anyway. The more the better in their minds so we're going to give them exactly what they want? Seems smart.

[fitz19d]

Dude, doors open out always, they are locked from the exterior..... does mean they just wait for someone to come out or piggy back in. Most hospitals do have large panes of glass that make great entries.

Actual article:
Poudre Valley Hospital in Fort Collins was briefly put on lockdown — meaning nobody was allowed in or out — Wednesday afternoon following a report of a man with a gun sitting in his car on the building's east side.

The lockdown lasted 4 minutes and was lifted just before 4:15 p.m. when 24-year-old Austin M. Devore was arrested on suspicion of felony menacing, criminal mischief, and possession of heroin and drug paraphernalia.
The gun, a black replica of an assault rifle, was determined to be a BB gun.
Witnesses reported to police that Devore allegedly pointed the fake gun in several directions while sitting in a gray Dodge Neon in the hospital parking lot. They also said he reportedly shot at and caused damage to a parked car.

Sorry, but locking the doors so a guy with a gun might not be able to get in is going to mean some people might not be able to get out either.
I'm sure no hospital employee wants to stand at a glass door with a key letting people out when there could be a dude with rifle about to shoot his way in.
... and yes, the felony charges should be listed before misdemeanor charges in my opinion.

[fitz19d]

EDIT: Initially thought you meant if you did something getting detained. In terms of letting people out, no they generally dont do that. They would right at the exit this was happening request people to use another exit, but then again the guys at this building of 4 are a special brand of stupid. As far as the lockdown, it usually takes them far too long to get one started, and by the time they started it was likely overidden by house sup/admin/or security themselves because it had already been found to be apparerent it was a dude with a toy.

As far as the other armchair quaterbacking, some unlrealistic expectations even if you had capable people like at my new location. Stop and think about the size of campus, then imagine 4 guys on foot and the number of doors that are manually locked. Reality is aside from fighting the crazy/druggies in the ED, hospital security is all customer service and a token show of safety. Most places the security isn't even armed.

I believe he was arrested by PD. The PVHS now university of CO health security is pretty neutered held in check other than random mall ninjas like I posted about ayear ago with the epic shooting class fail.

However, at my current hospital things are much more aggressive but not retarded. Issue so many trespass noticed for folk acting a fool. If you do something outright criminal directed at the hospital (strike a nurse, go nuts breaking stuff, that kinda thing you bet you are getting restrained and charges filed.) I have court this coming just this week to testify in a criminal case, though that one admittedly was a patient on a hold that got violent trying to leave.

You won't see anyone that wants to keep a job going off property and even usually in the parking lots if not some kind of big threat would be turned over to PD.

How do they have the authority to detain you?

Edit: Hospital employees/ security I mean. Now any one can be detained by a business or building owner under the guise of public safety?

[funkymonkey1111]

what if you needed to get out of the hospital and lay down suppressive fire and you're stymied by this lockdown? ridiculous!

[cmailliard]

There are zero laws that allow a hospital (or any business afaik) to detain a person inside their building. Even a patient (except those on MH holds) can leave AMA (Against Medical Advice). Even in a Code Pink (common code for infant abduction in a hospital) all the facility can do is stop and question people. If LE wants to detain someone that is LE doing it not the facility.

[fitz19d]

You just said stop and question vs can't detain. Which is it?

In code pinks 2 hospitals I've seen 2 policies. One if you have the abductor for sure it was do anything possible to stop them without risking the infant. The other one was a more observe/report details type of situation.

More specific circumstances should be given because otherwise what do you say to loss prevention who detain shoplifters and hold them for police?

MH holds are very easy to be placed, though it is on the person who placed it if they did it unduly. I'll admit i've seen people required to stay who I thought was stupid, and people that shouldnt be allowed out the door set free. Granted i'm not a psychologist but I'm talking ones that 9/10 here would agree if theyd seen. It is very rare for anyone to actually be physically forced to stay, those that do are the ones extremely obvious they arn't going anywhere anyway. (Extremely disturbed or ETOH.)