Another sign how CO is failing

[Great-Kazoo]

Not so much the BB gun itself but how the story begins, AND ends.
http://www.coloradoan.com/story/news...kdown/9981477/

Poudre Valley Hospital in Fort Collins was briefly put on lockdown — meaning nobody was allowed in or out — Wednesday afternoon following a report of a man with a gun sitting in his car on the building's east side.

Thank you for informing us what LOCK DOWN means


The lockdown lasted 4 minutes and was lifted just before 4:15 p.m. when 24-year-old Austin M. Devore was arrested on suspicion of felony menacing, criminal mischief, and possession of heroin and drug paraphernalia.

The gun, a black replica of an assault rifle, was determined to be a BB gun.
Witnesses reported to police that Devore allegedly pointed the fake gun in several directions while sitting in a gray Dodge Neon in the hospital parking lot.

Nice to see Drug possession is once again last when mentioning the "suspect" A dodge Neon, how can anyone driving a neon be taken seriously for the serious among us, who have no sense of humor

A man going to the hospital to visit his girlfriend and newborn baby, and confronted by the scene with several police cars, stopped to talk with a police sergeant about the situation. He went inside the hospital minutes after, saying, "With my girlfriend and baby, it's just kind of scary, you know?"


No i don't know. WHY because i choose to protect myself. Ft Collins was lost some time ago. This comment, among other like minded organisms hasn't sunk the ship. It drilled the holes allowing it to sink, willingly

[Rucker61]

It's the Coloradoan, Colorado's favorite high school newspaper. What do you expect?

[Colorado_Outback]

How do they have the authority to detain you?

Edit: Hospital employees/ security I mean. Now any one can be detained by a business or building owner under the guise of public safety?

[cmailliard]

How do they have the authority to detain you?

Edit: Hospital employees/ security I mean. Now any one can be detained by a business or building owner under the guise of public safety?

They can't and it would be interesting to see an outcome of this. Same issue came up at another hospital during a bomb threat. They let people leave as they please.

[fitz19d]

EDIT: Initially thought you meant if you did something getting detained. In terms of letting people out, no they generally dont do that. They would right at the exit this was happening request people to use another exit, but then again the guys at this building of 4 are a special brand of stupid. As far as the lockdown, it usually takes them far too long to get one started, and by the time they started it was likely overidden by house sup/admin/or security themselves because it had already been found to be apparerent it was a dude with a toy.

As far as the other armchair quaterbacking, some unlrealistic expectations even if you had capable people like at my new location. Stop and think about the size of campus, then imagine 4 guys on foot and the number of doors that are manually locked. Reality is aside from fighting the crazy/druggies in the ED, hospital security is all customer service and a token show of safety. Most places the security isn't even armed.

I believe he was arrested by PD. The PVHS now university of CO health security is pretty neutered held in check other than random mall ninjas like I posted about ayear ago with the epic shooting class fail.

However, at my current hospital things are much more aggressive but not retarded. Issue so many trespass noticed for folk acting a fool. If you do something outright criminal directed at the hospital (strike a nurse, go nuts breaking stuff, that kinda thing you bet you are getting restrained and charges filed.) I have court this coming just this week to testify in a criminal case, though that one admittedly was a patient on a hold that got violent trying to leave.

You won't see anyone that wants to keep a job going off property and even usually in the parking lots if not some kind of big threat would be turned over to PD.

How do they have the authority to detain you?

Edit: Hospital employees/ security I mean. Now any one can be detained by a business or building owner under the guise of public safety?

[ZERO THEORY]

I'm not sure I'm understanding this correctly. So he was pointing the fascimile weapon at people in the parking lot? If so, I don't see the problem with locking down the hospital if you think a guy armed with a carbine is in the lot losing his shit. And if he was just pointing it around indiscriminately at trees or whatever, I'm still not gonna rip them for that. How were they to know that:

A) It wasn't an actual rifle?
B) He's not some certifiably insane man who's hallucinating/trying to decide what to shoot/etc?

Also, I think the man in the last paragraph is saying that it's scary to have the police come swarming in and pulling out a reportedly armed man. Can't really fault him on that, either. Sorry Kazoo but I'm either missing something or in disagreement here. Doesn't help that the article is written like an ESL paper.

[kidicarus13]

I'm not sure I'm understanding this correctly. So he was pointing the fascimile weapon at people in the parking lot? If so, I don't see the problem with locking down the hospital if you think a guy armed with a carbine is in the lot losing his shit. And if he was just pointing it around indiscriminately at trees or whatever, I'm still not gonna rip them for that. How were they to know that:

A) It wasn't an actual rifle?
B) He's not some certifiably insane man who's hallucinating/trying to decide what to shoot/etc?

That's how I see it. The opposite side of the coin goes like this... it is a real gun and 10 minutes after the witness reports the man with a gun, the gunman goes on a shooting spree inside the hospital killing 20 people. Then everyone would be like WTF?! Law enforcement was advised of the situation 10 minutes prior and did nothing? Cops are worthless.

[Great-Kazoo]

I'm not sure I'm understanding this correctly. So he was pointing the fascimile weapon at people in the parking lot? If so, I don't see the problem with locking down the hospital if you think a guy armed with a carbine is in the lot losing his shit. And if he was just pointing it around indiscriminately at trees or whatever, I'm still not gonna rip them for that. How were they to know that:

A) It wasn't an actual rifle?
B) He's not some certifiably insane man who's hallucinating/trying to decide what to shoot/etc?

Also, I think the man in the last paragraph is saying that it's scary to have the police come swarming in and pulling out a reportedly armed man. Can't really fault him on that, either. Sorry Kazoo but I'm either missing something or in disagreement here. Doesn't help that the article is written like an ESL paper.

He was saying it's scary someone with a possible gun is in the parking lot. You know. The typical , It's such a quiet neighborhood mentality.

With my girlfriend and baby, it's just kind of scary, you know?"

[Whistler]

Ha! I just did that a few weeks ago (not at a hospital). Bought the grandkids another air rifle at Walmart but the wife wanted to stop on the way home at some nail place or something in a strip mall. Was bored sitting in the truck, unpacked the air rifle and was checking it out luckily SWAT didn't descend though that never occurred to me. I can see cops being called, better safe than sorry I guess but the article should have been clear he got the ride for heroin and reportedly shooting at a parked car not play up the "man with gun" angle. Not enough details to express an opinion on "felony menacing" the article only states he was "allegedly pointing the fake gun in several directions".

[Colorado_Outback]

Sorry but if a non-LEO tries to detain me in any way its not going to go well, regardless of any threat may or may not be present.