Talk about a total waste of State Tax payer money.....

[Great-Kazoo]

We did a mandatory one at the last job. One of the members here was the instructor. FWIW: it only does what one want's it to do. For the unarmed / un gun friendly, it just increases their paranoia, but forces them to think. . For the armed among us it was like, ok who handles what.

[SideShow Bob]

This class is actually 1.5 hours long and taught by the CDOT safety officer, so no money was wasted on instructors, but lots of wasted time & salary to attend.

The class was not too bad. Some didn't know that they state employees could carry while at work. Very puzzled looks when I said if you take out the shooter, to holster the gun before the swat shows up.

The last time I checked, you couldn't even have a firearm in your vehicle on CDOT property. Please do tell where it says that state employees can carry while at work.

[kidicarus13]

The last time I checked, you couldn't even have a firearm in your vehicle on CDOT property. Please do tell where it says that state employees can carry while at work.

I was actually hoping you could shed some light on your claim. What State employee manual covering all State employees prohibits firearms in the workplace? I've not seen it. Maybe CDOT has their own special rules, I don't know.

[Eric P]

They had a rule after the Greeley shooting, but their rule was wiped out by the CCW law. I and many more carry everyday in CDOT vehicles and in the office.

It was fun to watch some reactions when they realized that someone in their workgroup may have a gun less than 10 ft away from them.

[Rucker61]

My work has 'active shooter' training and exercises. It's basically hide and seek. We hide silently, behind closed and hopefully locked, doors, and let the shooter seek others who weren't locked out of the offices (in hallways, restrooms, break areas, etc). Eventually, we'll be 'rescued'. There's no training added for fighting back, protecting one's self, or even for the aftermath. All said...worthless. And worse, it's a place that doesn't allow CCW, nor any knives beyond certain length.

We just got to watch a video. There was a fight back scenario, but it was after the run or hide choices. In this video, when trapped in a conference room, it's evidently corporate policy to throw potted plants at an AK armed attacker. Of course, our company is based in California, so who would expect anything any different.

The instructor, a high mucky muck, said in the class in Cali, when he asked who had fired or held a gun or heard gunfire, maybe 2 out of 30 raised their hands. In our CO class, it was 100%. I've formally requested a company approved and provided potted plant for my cube, and I wonder if I can get away with bringing it to meetings.

[BPTactical]

CDOT has a very clear policy of NO "weapons" on CDOT property at any time unless it is a requirement of your job duties.
This also applies to private contractors on CDOT projects and property.
I as well would like to know just what position a weapon is a requirement for CDOT job duties.
Unfortunately I have been out of the system for a year so I cannot quote the exact policy/directive. I would like to see in writing where the No Weapons policy has been rescinded.
The CCW statute came into effect when I was a TMIII, I would have known in a change in policy/directive.
I even pushed the fact up the chain- how can a state entity forbid a permitted concealed permit holder from carrying on state property? The statute is clear that private property owners may forbid the carrying of a concealed weapon but there is no such provision for state property. In addition how can a state entity openly defy state law and constitution?
I never got a coherent answer and even Legal never provided any insight.
I also asked if CDOT denies a lawfull and permitted individual from carrying, what duty does CDOT have to protect their employees?
Crickets.
Hell, they even gave me grief at headquarters for my Gerber Fairburn/Applegate I carried daily.
If they only knew....

[Irving]

When I worked at AAA (across the street from CDOT) they used an example of someone keeping a gun in his desk, and being a jerk to his co-workers and openly talking about how he kept a gun in his desk. They told this story as an example of a "see something, say something" type deal because supposedly he had a gun at his desk for years and everyone was just too cowardly to say anything. Anyway, that all supposedly happened at CDOT.

[SideShow Bob]

CDOT has a very clear policy of NO "weapons" on CDOT property at any time unless it is a requirement of your job duties.
This also applies to private contractors on CDOT projects and property.
I as well would like to know just what position a weapon is a requirement for CDOT job duties.
Unfortunately I have been out of the system for a year so I cannot quote the exact policy/directive. I would like to see in writing where the No Weapons policy has been rescinded.
The CCW statute came into effect when I was a TMIII, I would have known in a change in policy/directive.
I even pushed the fact up the chain- how can a state entity forbid a permitted concealed permit holder from carrying on state property? The statute is clear that private property owners may forbid the carrying of a concealed weapon but there is no such provision for state property. In addition how can a state entity openly defy state law and constitution?
I never got a coherent answer and even Legal never provided any insight.
I also asked if CDOT denies a lawfull and permitted individual from carrying, what duty does CDOT have to protect their employees?
Crickets.
Hell, they even gave me grief at headquarters for my Gerber Fairburn/Applegate I carried daily.
If they only knew....

Thanks Bert, and guess what, CDOT' does not have any public links ( at least that I could find ) to this policy on the interwebz. Guess I'll have to dig up a current Employee handbook, then copy and paste it.

[BPTactical]

Thanks Bert, and guess what, CDOT' does not have any public links ( at least that I could find ) to this policy on the interwebz. Guess I'll have to dig up a current Employee handbook, then copy and paste it.

You will have to look on the internal website Bobbo, under Policy and Procedure, more than likely under the Personnel tab. It may be contained in Workplace Violence, which IIRC is 17 and 17.1

That being said prior to the Greeley incident in which Charlene Nail was killed and Karla Harding was wounded we used to shoot our pistols in the salt dome at the old Wadsworth Shed that housed patrols 13,14 and 25 on snow shift at night.
There were a lot of 230gr pumpkin heads that were tossed out on 36 in a drop box sander.
Oh, and a .45 is really, really loud in a salt dome.

[clublights]

RUN. HIDE. FIGHT.® Surviving an Active Shooter Ev…: http://youtu.be/5VcSwejU2D0

This is what they'll watch. Like someone mentioned, common sense for those not armed.

I was just trying to remember that video to post myself LOL