Supreme Court rules on 'straw purchaser' law

[merl]

The 4473 permits gifts across the country (less any converse state laws). Read the instructions for box 11 next time you open a form. It will tell you, if the firearm is a gift for someone you have no reason to believe is an unlawful firearms possessor, you should check "yes". So the crime here is not that the gun was provided to the uncle or whoever he was, it was that the uncle sent money for the gun (making it not a gift) and was dumb enough to write "Glock 17" on the check.



This amplifies the purpose of the 5th amendment. If he didn't talk to anyone he could have wormed out of that even in that situation.

The receipt was found when his house was searched due to other charges. He may well have talked himself into this but he was also caught in a "we have to charge him with something" when the reason for the search didn't pan out.

[speedysst]

Why do we brainstorm about ways to circumvent a law then complain when the law is tightened?

[GunsRBadMMMMKay]

"Writing for the majority, Justice Elena Kagan said the federal government's elaborate system of background checks and record-keeping requirements help law enforcement investigate crimes by tracing guns to their buyers. "

So how exactly does NICS work with tracking gun purchases and getting that to LEO to investigate crimes?
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I know, it's not like they have some kind of national gun registry...since that would be illegal and violate the constitution. So how do they track all these guns to said owners?

More directly, I'll explain the trace procedure as it was explained to me....1-write/subpoena manufacturer for records, which show where gun was sent. 2-write/subpoena distributor for where said gun went next. 3-write/subpoena store/ffl for 4473/name of purchaser. 4-write/subpoena/contact 4473 buyer.....and if he/she sold/transferred it then on till the trail goes cold. But that's not a "bona-fide" registry since big brother can't just get the info on the spot, right?

[SuperiorDG]

I know, it's not like they have some kind of national gun registry...since that would be illegal and violate the constitution. So how do they track all these guns to said owners?

I think they mean after a gun commits a crime they then track it down to the buyer.

[davsel]

Why do we brainstorm about ways to circumvent a law then complain when the law is tightened?

As opposed to...?
Maybe laying still and taking it?

"...shall not be infringed", my friend.

[muddywings]

I know, it's not like they have some kind of national gun registry...since that would be illegal and violate the constitution. So how do they track all these guns to said owners?

More directly, I'll explain the trace procedure as it was explained to me....1-write/subpoena manufacturer for records, which show where gun was sent. 2-write/subpoena distributor for where said gun went next. 3-write/subpoena store/ffl for 4473/name of purchaser. 4-write/subpoena/contact 4473 buyer.....and if he/she sold/transferred it then on till the trail goes cold. But that's not a "bona-fide" registry since big brother can't just get the info on the spot, right?

Thanks, that's what my understanding was too but I read a bit much into the original statement. Still seems like a dubious thing to state in a SC decision statement even though the original buyer still had to transfer to his uncle.
Just a whole bunch of herpa-derpa all around.
I didn't know about this case but sounds like a serious case of the dumb-asses on part of the buyer who should have known better in the first place

[GunsRBadMMMMKay]

Still seems like a dubious thing to state in a SC decision statement even though the original buyer still had to transfer to his uncle.
Just a whole bunch of herpa-derpa all around.

Yeah, I'm puzzled how transferring said pistol through an ffl classified as a straw purchase myself....I think it was a stretch, but the "fear" the ruling helps inspire in the citizens who choose to own guns "legally" furthers an agenda.

[Great-Kazoo]

Yeah, I'm puzzled how transferring said pistol through an ffl classified as a straw purchase myself....I think it was a stretch, but the "fear" the ruling helps inspire in the citizens who choose to own guns "legally" furthers an agenda.

He purchased it for his uncle, with money from his uncle. He knew ahead of time the purchase was not for him, but his uncle.

The case began after Bruce James Abramski, Jr. bought a Glock 19 handgun in Collinsville, Virginia, in 2009 and later transferred it to his uncle in Easton, Pennsylvania. Abramski, a former police officer, had assured the Virginia dealer he was the "actual buyer" of the weapon even though he had already offered to buy the gun for his uncle using a police discount.

[Aloha_Shooter]

It just proves that Anthony, Ginsberg, Sotomayor and Kagan have no business on the court. Bad as McCain or W were in their own ways, neither of them would have appointed Kagan, Sotomayor, or Ginsberg. Those who say there's no difference between Republicans and Democrats need to consider this case and the ruling.

[KestrelBike]

It just proves that Anthony, Ginsberg, Sotomayor and Kagan have no business on the court. Bad as McCain or W were in their own ways, neither of them would have appointed Kagan, Sotomayor, or Ginsberg. Those who say there's no difference between Republicans and Democrats need to consider this case and the ruling.

Signed. Kagan's comments had my blood boiling and I had to throw away the reply I wrote. Both her and Sotomayor throw their gender and ethnicity around like weapons, I can't stand it.