Report Shows SWAT justifies tactics by claiming "Gun may be involved"

[Bailey Guns]

Doesn't change the fact that until a person is convicted of a crime they're still only suspected of committing a crime. Even an active shooter is only suspected until convicted.

[Great-Kazoo]

Doesn't change the fact that until a person is convicted of a crime they're still only suspected of committing a crime. Even an active shooter is only suspected until convicted.

Hence the media saying The Alleged Suspect ..

[Irving]

When we have to involve the sheriff in an eviction, one guy shows up. If we tell them we suspect a weapon might be on the property, two guys show up. What's the difference?
The guy that showed up to our eviction was an old dude that was totally relaxed. He told, "I'll go in first and check things out in case someone hung themselves in the closet."
We went in and there was a machete leaning up against the wall. Zero drama.

[Hound]

I think the complaints about the ACLU are BS. They tried to get more info but were denied, they point it out and that it shows even more how much secrecy is involved with PD's. Also, just because they fight for minorities does not discredit what they are showing here, which affects us all. We have all seen the MRAP's craziness that some PD's are going to and it points again to a militarization of the CIVILLIAN police. Somebody on here in a recent post pointed out that cops walking the beat and getting a free cup of coffee knew their area because they were part of that area. This was stopped in fear of it looking like a shake down by the police. What it really did was got rid of the Andy Griffith's of the world and made it more of an us against them..... From both sides. Now it seems like Barney has taken over and there is nobody to tell him ONLY one bullet and BTW keep it in your pocket.

[Aloha_Shooter]

I think the complaints about the ACLU are BS.

No, they're not BS. The ACLU has been virulently against the actual written words of the Constitution and American heritage for the past 30-40 years. That's not to excuse the cops or administration when they've been acting like Barney Fife or the police in "Rambo" but I always read any report from the ACLU with a great deal of skepticism. The ACLU and their brethren at the SLPC are directly responsible for a lot of the legal stupidities we have to deal with today including not being able to commit and treat obvious psychopaths.

[Hound]

I was talking to this thread and article, not the entire ACLU. That would be like damning the entire police force for the actions of some, neither would be fair. This article is pointing out [again] that the procedures may be off in many PD's. This is more poignant since it is pointing out that merely having a gun is a reason giving for the justification in many cases, which puts all of us on this forum in the cross hairs. I have not seen many others try to look into these types of questions. When somebody does and it points to mine and others legal gun ownership as the scapegoat for a full on SWAT invasion of my home.......... I think you should at least take a look.

No, they're not BS. The ACLU has been virulently against the actual written words of the Constitution and American heritage for the past 30-40 years. That's not to excuse the cops or administration when they've been acting like Barney Fife or the police in "Rambo" but I always read any report from the ACLU with a great deal of skepticism. The ACLU and their brethren at the SLPC are directly responsible for a lot of the legal stupidities we have to deal with today including not being able to commit and treat obvious psychopaths.

[mindfold]

I am safe from SWAT invading my house since my boating accident.


Sent from my tin foil coated mind reading device.

[<MADDOG>]

Would any SWAT officer substantially disagree with the findings?

This.

I say if you dispute the data, bring facts (and IMO, the ACLU isn't to far off on these).

Yes, the ACLU has it's own agenda, but every broken clock is right twice a day...

[Hound]

This.

I say if you dispute the data, bring facts (and IMO, the ACLU isn't to far off on these).

Yes, the ACLU has it's own agenda, but every broken clock is right twice a day...

^^^^ This

[Alf Tanner]

I am speculating that It's only a matter of time before there's a big case where someone is more prepared for one of these no knock raids than the po po are expecting and there's significant and unnecessary bloodshed