I Really Enjoyed Seeing This - Fracking Ban Fails in Loveland

[roberth]

http://coloradopeakpolitics.com/2014...ck-moratorium/

[Great-Kazoo]

The flower children are wilted over the loss. Once again, bad wording condemned a bill. The lawsuit boulder will be hit with may rattle al gore's solar windows.

[roberth]

I'm glad they are unhappy, they deserve it.

The state and country are already in poor economic condition and these thoughtless fools only want to make things worse. Don't they understand that higher fuel costs impact them too, or maybe they're all living on Uncle Sugar's dime so they don't care.

This nation was built on coal and oil, to date no other energy sources are as practical, reliable, efficient, and cost effective, maybe nuclear but St Vrain is closed.

[Rucker61]

I'm glad they are unhappy, they deserve it.

The state and country are already in poor economic condition and these thoughtless fools only want to make things worse. Don't they understand that higher fuel costs impact them too,

They smugly drive Priuses.

[Robb]

Enlighten me!

Would you guys care to share any info on fracking you may have? I have not researched it one bit. It's become the same as drugs or abortion, love it or hate it and I know nothing other than the slick commercials on tv.

Are the chemicals they use safe if they hit the water table? And how about the earthquakes, just rumors? Any ties there - or nobody knows yet?

On another note, I find it kind of amazing we use this technology to extract the last molecules of oil, which in some cases we sell, the US is an oil exporter, while we import from many places including the middle east. We sell ours to buy theirs, one the surface it makes no sense to me, anyway now I'm rambling...

[merl]

The chemicals don't hit the water table. They only do if they make a mistake and then the oil is leaking into the water table. Mistakes happen with normal wells too.

Earthquakes, you can get them injecting plain water into faults so sure it can induce them. Solution, don't inject into faults. The magnitude 2-3 stuff that is normally seen is not noticeable without equipment anyway. There is a disposal well near Greeley that is temporarily shut down right now while the quakes are being looked at.

Primarily scare tactics by greenies.

(We do not export oil. Gas on the other hand...)

[Ronin13]

What Merl said... Fracking is relatively safe- and most operations actually leave the area better off than when it was surveyed for the operation as most oil and gas companies actually do care about the environment. As for the opposition to hydraulic fracturing (aka "fracking"), most of their claims are baseless and false. Fracking is actually only a very small part of the oil and gas drilling process, it lasts only a few days.

Glad that Loveland shut these hippies down, I'm so sick of their opposition to something that they have no business even getting involved in. Most land used for drilling is private land that the owner leases to the company and they pay very well. Most of the private land is owned by farmers, and the lease profits are what keep farmers alive during low-yield years.

[Robb]

Good to know. Thanks for the responses.

[Great-Kazoo]

Enlighten me!

Would you guys care to share any info on fracking you may have? I have not researched it one bit. It's become the same as drugs or abortion, love it or hate it and I know nothing other than the slick commercials on tv.

Are the chemicals they use safe if they hit the water table? And how about the earthquakes, just rumors? Any ties there - or nobody knows yet?

On another note, I find it kind of amazing we use this technology to extract the last molecules of oil, which in some cases we sell, the US is an oil exporter, while we import from many places including the middle east. We sell ours to buy theirs, one the surface it makes no sense to me, anyway now I'm rambling...

For us its how the anti-frak groups try putting ban ballots out there. Some successful, others not. The use of vague language such as until determined to be safe scientifically.

For every pro you can find a con to that result. Professor Emeritus X says, Fracking will never be safe, SO until Professor X changes his / her mind the ban is not lifted. Yet Professor Y says NONSENSE it's safe, back and forth to court till one or the other runs out of money. Which we all know rarely happens, along with the time frame to get before the first judge.

[SamuraiCO]

The strides made by Fracking is threatening the left's attempt to move the US off of fossil fuels to "alternative" energies. They were OK with us importing our oil and gas because resources were become scarse and prices are effected by world events in the middle east. It did get us to make moves for more fuel efficient vehicles that pollute less. Good in the fact my truck has more horse power and better fuel economy compared to my dad's old Chevy Scottsdale. Bad that is less gas tax collected ( a problem to itself).

Fracking would allow the US to be energy independent and not force all of us into hybrid or pure electrical cars. That is bad for the greenies. They were so close to putting a stake into the gas engine that they will do anything to stop fracking.

Inflation in fuel and subsequently food prices is not widely reported. Neither are part of inflation measurements. How convenient.

As a side note no greenie ever shows what mines look like world wide that are needed to extract rare earth elements that go into lithium battery and turbine productions. They also never show you what the factories look like that produce the raw elements and finished products. Most of those are in China who also uses coal for their power.

If I had land with gas/oil under it I would not hesitate to let them frack on it and live on it.