Bill Whittle: Conservatives Don't Believe Their Own Message

[cofi]

I don't think there has been a problem with divorce for centuries. I think that's more of a modern thing. It's a problem, I'll agree. As far as the second part of your statement, I'd say it was nonsense but I have no idea what it means.

Well it's because the laws were changed in the last 100 years or so to allow women to have a say in a divorce

i think we need to get hard core conservative bring back the rule of thumb the inquisition etc

[ZERO THEORY]

I see no reason to weaken a tradition that's been in place for thousands of years just for the sake of change.

There's been long-standing traditions of gay marriage, too. So what makes hetero marriage any more sanctimonious?

I'd also point out that the traditions of slavery, religious genocide, and human sacrifices have been in place for thousands of years. Why weaken them just for the sake of change?

The tradition is plenty weakened by centuries of divorce. The problem might be in your marriage if it's so fragile as to not survive a different person's marriage desire.

Bingo. Two gays getting married in no way, shape, or form does away with the legitimacy of hetero marriage. Nor does it degrade its value.

[Ridge]

Well it's because the laws were changed in the last 100 years or so to allow women to have a say in a divorce

i think we need to get hard core conservative bring back the rule of thumb the inquisition etc

Look at that. Ya cant do very much damage with that, can ya? Maybe it should've been rule of wrist?

[Bailey Guns]

There's been long-standing traditions of gay marriage, too. So what makes hetero marriage any more sanctimonious?

I don't think so. There may be long-standing traditions of homosexuality but not marriage. And certainly not in our society.

I'd also point out that the traditions of slavery, religious genocide, and human sacrifices have been in place for thousands of years. Why weaken them just for the sake of change?

Really? You want to try to argue traditional marriage relates to traditions of slavery and genocide? You go with that.

Bingo. Two gays getting married in no way, shape, or form does away with the legitimacy of hetero marriage. Nor does it degrade its value.

Maybe not on an individual level. I think it harms society as a whole in the long run.

But this isn't about gay marriage. It's about what constitutes conservative values and beliefs and that was just an example.

[Bailey Guns]

I have to say that's one thing I admire about liberals. They know what they believe in and they stick to it, facts be damned. On almost every issue important to the liberal agenda they unite. Getting rid of guns will save lives. We know it's total nonsense but they repeat that constantly and pretty soon otherwise rational people start believing it. You don't see the liberal agenda changing because it's not popular with some people like you do with conservatives, specifically republicans.

Republicans will give up on social issues they feel strongly about in a heartbeat because that belief isn't popular with some people, even though it is with their base. Same with illegal immigration. Republicans are always wanting to compromise, and compromise their values to win support from the other side just so the other side can stab a knife in their back. It's maddening because I'm a firm believer in the republican party platform...it would be refreshing to find republican politicians who would stick to the core principles without compromising.

[Ridge]

I don't think so. There may be long-standing traditions of homosexuality but not marriage. And certainly not in our society.

In who's society? And if we don't choose to advance society and only maintain the social norms of the past, we end up like this.

Really? You want to try to argue traditional marriage relates to traditions of slavery and genocide? You go with that.

Traditions is traditions. You can't pick and choose.

Maybe not on an individual level. I think it harms society as a whole in the long run.

Wouldn't gay marriage resolve itself in rather short time, due to the necessary organs required to create life?

But this isn't about gay marriage. It's about what constitutes conservative values and beliefs and that was just an example.

Which seem to flip flop depending on the argument.

[Ridge]

Republicans will give up on social issues they feel strongly about in a heartbeat because that belief isn't popular with some people, even though it is with their base.

Like gay marriage and abortion?

[Bailey Guns]

Like gay marriage and abortion?

Yes.

[Aloha_Shooter]

There's been long-standing traditions of gay marriage, too.

Citation please. There have been long standing traditions of polygamous marriage in cultures ranging from the Egyptians to Chinese to Polynesians to Jews and various tribes throughout Africa. I am unaware of a single culture with long-standing traditions of gay marriage but I'm not an anthropologist so perhaps in South America or Eastern Africa? I know the Hawaiians tolerated mahus but I don't recall anything about acknowledging mahu marriage.

BTW, as far as the claims of a tradition of divorce go, Freakonomics said the divorce rate climb that started in the 50s and 60s started dropping in the 80s and is now at or below historic norms. Divorce was so UNtraditional that Henry VIII's fears for royal succession precipitated a schism in the Roman Catholic Church and gave birth to the Church of England so he could get an annulment (not divorce) and marry a more fertile (he hoped) woman.

I apologize in advance to all the liberals or edgy self-styled libertarians for bringing actual facts and history into the discussion.

[Ridge]

The Greeks! They were famously gay!