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    "As for Barack Obama, you cannot judge any President's competence by the results of his policies, without first knowing what he was trying to achieve."

    Although I agree with much of what Sowell said, I strongly disagree with this statement. Results matter. Too often, politicians support policies without considering or caring what the unintended consequences might be. What is the correct saying? "The road to hell is paved with good intentions"

    Using Sowell's reasoning, if Beeho was allowing the open Southern border on the basis of believing it would lead to improved racial unity, then we should give him a pass on the horrible actual results? No way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Singlestack View Post
    "As for Barack Obama, you cannot judge any President's competence by the results of his policies, without first knowing what he was trying to achieve."

    Although I agree with much of what Sowell said, I strongly disagree with this statement. Results matter. Too often, politicians support policies without considering or caring what the unintended consequences might be. What is the correct saying? "The road to hell is paved with good intentions"

    Using Sowell's reasoning, if Beeho was allowing the open Southern border on the basis of believing it would lead to improved racial unity, then we should give him a pass on the horrible actual results? No way.
    I think you may be misunderstanding what he's saying.

    For example, judging Obamacare as a failure. To most rational people Obamacare looks like a total disaster and if judged simply by our traditional standards most would say the new health care law/policies implemented by Obama and O-care are failures. However, if you understand the reasoning behind it...to move the country into a European socialist style system with the ultimate goal of creating a single-payer (government) system, then it could be seen as a success. Not by me or perhaps you, but by the people who believe in and want that type of system.

    So, keeping his goals in mind, judge the results by what he wanted, not by what you (or I) wanted.
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    I hear ya. With Beeho, however, the gap between what we know of his intentions and actions taken is often huge. In rare cases, he tips his hand as to his true intentions - such as the famous "you didn't build that" speech from a few years ago. Says much about his disdain for small business and desire for increasing taxation and regulation.

    Having said that, I do believe the man is fundamentally evil and intends for bad things to happen to America. His constant lies means the only things he says that can be trusted are those which are destructive to the Constitution and America. I am finding that one can fairly accurately predict his actions in response to any situation based on previous actions. I ignore what he says his intentions are, as that has no reliable link to his actions.
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    Absolutely. There's no doubt Obama will ALWAYS take the radical leftist approach to policy. And from that perspective, I agree that he's evil because socialism/communism is evil. But that's his nature, most likely due to his upbringing. So I'd have to agree with Sowell that, from the conservative perspective his policies are failing. But from the leftist perspective, not so much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Singlestack View Post
    Although I agree with much of what Sowell said, I strongly disagree with this statement. Results matter. Too often, politicians support policies without considering or caring what the unintended consequences might be. What is the correct saying? "The road to hell is paved with good intentions"
    That's only true if you give Fbho credit for good intentions to begin with. I don't think Sowell is giving him any such credit. If you think that Fbho is actively trying to pursue the Cloward-Piven strategy (short version: make civil society collapse so that you can be the hero by making everybody dependent on you) then he's almost competent. Utterly evil, but almost competent.

    Kind of like the product of Palpatine committing unnatural sexual acts on Jar-Jar Binks.

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