TERRORISM, WIN, LOSE OR DRAW? (No Poll)

[Great-Kazoo]

DISCLAIMER: I am not a moderator or someone with a vested (monetary interest) In the ar-15.co web site. I am also not a person who has connections or ever been involved with military intelligence or other .gov agency's.
I'm just an ordinary guy with an opinion (SURPRISE) who is curious what you all think about terrorism / ISLAMIST.
LET'S not get side tracked with buzz words like Domestic Terrorist. I would like this topic to be about Islam, Islamist, ONLY. If we cannot keep it civil, reduced to name calling, bitch slapping and general shenanigans. I will have the mods shut it down.


Now the question is Can America win the fight against Islamist, jihadist terrorist?

IMO we will likely end up in a draw OR as much as it pains me, lose in the long run against said Terrorist.

We can put blame on any administration one wants All have been complacent (one way or another) when dealing with Radical Islam / Terrorist. When you have a faction of government believe captured fighters should be tried in a US court / civilians. Rather than military court, our enemies know they have won.

When you have .gov representatives publicly announce terrorism is but a small section of Islam, they've won.

When you have a secularist portion of society, who castigate, condemn Christians and Jews , but Embrace Islam / Muslims as friends, we've lost.

We as a country do not have the stomach / fortitude to do what islamist / terrorist do, are trained to do and believe beyond a doubt, their way is a righteous and justified one.

Find me 1 thousand people (U.S citizens) who would strap on a vest or drive a vehicle loaded with explosives, in to a market place packed with civilians. I'm sure there are a fair amount of Tim McVeighs out there, but doubt we'd get enough to do it daily, for years on end. Or who truly believe that kind of violence is the answer to wiping out the opposition.

Another reason Islamist / Terrorist may win, population. Their desire to eradicate the Infidels off the face of the earth, has given them a drive like no other. One family member dies in pursuit of Allah's approval , the blood line is more than willing to carry on.
Even when it comes to sectarian violence, they unite against the infidel.

I apologize in advance for the scattered train of thought. However i've rewritten this numerous times, this was the shortest version i could come up with.
Feel free to add on one way or another.

[beast556]

Un winnable war.

[roberth]

We could win but we won't, change the rules of engagement and give our military a chance to win and they'll win handily.

Stateside, most people are tired of the war, tired of burying brave, young men who appear to have died for nothing, tired of knowing we could win but instead watching the government snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

[Zundfolge]

Un winnable war.

An un winnable war if its fought with the same ethics and morality of wars of the recent past. The simple fact is that the only solution to "radical Islam" (which isn't radical, its more akin to orthodox) is genocide. Western civilization has lost its willingness to fight a genocidal war so we will at best contain it for a few more generations and then eventually lose (of course they could end up snuffing themselves out ... but I wouldn't bet we'd be that lucky).

A country that is several hundred years old, supposing to eradicate an ideology that is several thousand years old? -naivete' on steroids.

Islam is only 1404 years old.

[Bailey Guns]

A country that is several hundred years old, supposing to eradicate an ideology that is several thousand years old? -naivete' on steroids.

Islam is only 1404 years old.

I laughed at that, too.

I also laugh at the thought that it's our "meddling" in the middle east that causes Muslims to hate us. Really? Then explain why we've had problems with Muslims since the very beginning of our country. Please...I can't wait.

And for those of you who say we should be out of the middle east, no "war for oil", etc... Then you'd better get ready for a radical change of lifestyle because if there is anything worth fighting a war over, it's oil. A steady supply for the next several decades at least is absolutely essential to our security and our way of life. I doubt anyone can point to anything in their home that isn't somehow connected to oil.

[hatidua]

I laughed at that, too.

200 years vs 1400 years, does that temper your laughter at all? Tell us, how is the U.S. going to enlighten a culture that is just slightly older (call it 500 years if it makes you more confident) - is it Facebook, Myspace, Tumblr, General Dynamics & Apple Computer that makes us instantly more capable, or shall we just assume that we can bomb the world into our way of thinking? it's working just peachy so far, isn't it.....

When the U.S. QE finally fails and we can't bankroll the buffer nations, what then, is it apple pie and hot dogs that will sustain our way of thinking?

[merl]

No I don't think so and cynically I don't think we're intended to. It is a great excuse to create a surveillance state.

Their leaders whip people up to hate us as a distraction from the crap they are doing then we invade and now they have real grievances to point to. It seems the 'war' is self defeating, keep them out of the country and call it a draw. They can hate us all they want from across the ocean while we snipe a leader or two a year.

I think the actual threat is extremely overrated, if they managed to get one Boston a year does that really matter?

[Great-Kazoo]

I think the actual threat is extremely overrated, if they managed to get one Boston a year does that really matter?

Over rated, how so? Yes it does.

[merl]

Over rated, how so? Yes it does.

It matters in a "we cannot let them hit us" way or in a "it hurts us" way? (or something else?)

I'm of the opinion it does not hurt the country, certainly not any more than war is (in an economic sense). Until they figure out a plan to get Glen Canyon Dam or equivalent it would be hard to.

[roberth]

I think the actual threat is extremely overrated, if they managed to get one Boston a year does that really matter?

An acceptable loss eh, what if the people murdered were your family?

I know people who lost people at the Twin Towers, it ain't fukken acceptable and neither is what happened in Boston.