TERRORISM, WIN, LOSE OR DRAW? (No Poll)

[Zundfolge]

Un winnable war.

An un winnable war if its fought with the same ethics and morality of wars of the recent past. The simple fact is that the only solution to "radical Islam" (which isn't radical, its more akin to orthodox) is genocide. Western civilization has lost its willingness to fight a genocidal war so we will at best contain it for a few more generations and then eventually lose (of course they could end up snuffing themselves out ... but I wouldn't bet we'd be that lucky).

A country that is several hundred years old, supposing to eradicate an ideology that is several thousand years old? -naivete' on steroids.

Islam is only 1404 years old.

[Bailey Guns]

A country that is several hundred years old, supposing to eradicate an ideology that is several thousand years old? -naivete' on steroids.

Islam is only 1404 years old.

I laughed at that, too.

I also laugh at the thought that it's our "meddling" in the middle east that causes Muslims to hate us. Really? Then explain why we've had problems with Muslims since the very beginning of our country. Please...I can't wait.

And for those of you who say we should be out of the middle east, no "war for oil", etc... Then you'd better get ready for a radical change of lifestyle because if there is anything worth fighting a war over, it's oil. A steady supply for the next several decades at least is absolutely essential to our security and our way of life. I doubt anyone can point to anything in their home that isn't somehow connected to oil.

[hatidua]

I laughed at that, too.

200 years vs 1400 years, does that temper your laughter at all? Tell us, how is the U.S. going to enlighten a culture that is just slightly older (call it 500 years if it makes you more confident) - is it Facebook, Myspace, Tumblr, General Dynamics & Apple Computer that makes us instantly more capable, or shall we just assume that we can bomb the world into our way of thinking? it's working just peachy so far, isn't it.....

When the U.S. QE finally fails and we can't bankroll the buffer nations, what then, is it apple pie and hot dogs that will sustain our way of thinking?

[Bailey Guns]

No, it doesn't because your argument just doesn't hold water. Muslims have been at war with non-Muslims since Islam became a religion. Our culture is basically the same as most of western Europe and they've been fighting Islam for about 1400 years.

This is not a problem of western culture, or US meddling or anything else other than Islamists hate non-Islamists and want them either converted or dead. The only problem we have as a nation is the unwillingness to recognize: 1) It's not us, it's them. That guilt thing has gotten really popular in the last 3 or 4 decades, and 2) We don't have the national will to really fight this. So, we're going to have to come up with some other solution and that thought scares me more than radical Islam.

[crays]

Until we, as a people, united, are wllling to fully embrace a dynamic change in the "Rules of Engagement", it is going to continue to be a sorry and miserable row to hoe.

Until it effects the average citizen on a constant and consistent basis, I fear that we are trudging up a steep and sandy hill.

Lost battle/war? Not by any means, but there are far too few Americans willing to face the reality of how to quiet this onslaught, let alone willing to take up arms, and put themselves in danger, to do so.

My $.02

[hatidua]

No, it doesn't because your argument just doesn't hold water.

I don't have an "argument", I've lived (not visited, LIVED) in three different Muslim countries and from your posts, I can fairly easily tell you haven't spent much time, if any, in even one.

While devout Americans may go to church on Sundays, many (if not most) Muslims live's revolve around their religion and an attempt to change a mindset takes far more than a political or military campaign by a foreign nation. I'd be the last person to suggest or insinuate that a large portion of Muslims are radical or favor terrorist activities but the notion that some nation can come along and in the course of a decade or two change the minds of a generation that is hell-bent on causing a stink is blind ignorance.

[merl]

Anyone care to be specific on what they would change on the ROE?

[Irving]

Hatidua never suggested that the US was responsible for Middle East aggression, for the record.

[Monky]

It is not a war. A war is fought against an enemy. The enemy here is a belief and uneducated fanatics.

We would have to stoop to their level to defeat them. Sadly they are human and most intelligent folks do believe all life has value. If we adopted their tactics and beliefs through technology alone we could end it quickly. Wipe them out by the hundreds with out caring about excess casualty. Known terrorist is hidden in a bldg with innocents but still protected by those sympathetic... Level it with zero fucks given. We would win... Sadly we don't believe in religious genocide


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[Bailey Guns]

Let's see...moved to Algeria when I was about 7, LIVED (not visited) there for 3 years (just after their war for independence against the French...a very exciting time to be in Algiers), and traveled extensively throughout N Africa. Also visited more than a few Muslim countries during my military years...in the mid-east and elsewhere. Another argument that doesn't hold water.