Originally Posted by
Ronin13
I'll chime in, having actually been a part of this war and seen it first hand...
There are some things everyone needs to understand first and foremost before anything else can be discussed.
1. Who is the enemy? What motivates him? At what end will he cease hostilities? These three questions are vital to understanding the enemy, and in turn, choosing a course of action to take in regards to the enemy. Make no mistake, Jihadists are the enemy. Who are these jihadists? Many will claim that the majority of the Muslim world is peaceful and has no qualms with the West. This may be true, but even if it's 51% that may be a majority, but the other 49% is a shit load of people to be up against. They're motivated by some twisted belief that their mission in life is to introduce a world wide calphate. Anything that is not Islam must submit or die. That's it. They will stop fighting when there is no one left to fight. Let me say that again THEY WILL STOP FIGHTING WHEN THERE IS NO ONE LEFT TO FIGHT. They do not want compromise, they do not want a deal, they want one thing, everyone is a Muslim or a subject of their Muslim rule. That's right sports fans, no more bacon, no more libations with your friends, no more women working or driving, and your wife/sister/daughter must be covered and has no say in politics. You will pray 5 times a day, you will live your life according to the Koran, and you will submit the will of almighty Allah. That's what they want, and they will take nothing else.
2. Israel. This needs to be mentioned because it helps to understand them further. The case with Israel. They have offered peace dozens of times, every time the Palestinians have swatted their hand away. When will people realize that when it comes to the Jews and other Non-Muslims there will be no peace? Simply because Israel exists is enough to make any non-moderate Muslim's blood boil. Once the Jewish state is gone do you think they'll stop? Hardly. Watch India go, then Eastern Europe, then Asia, then Western Europe, then us. If left unchecked they will achieve their goal of world domination. Sounds cartoon, but that's exactly what they want, to dominate the world.
3. How do we win? The rules in this war are simple- the most committed wins. So far we are on track to lose, and badly. Merl asked What can we do that we're not allowed to do now? I wish it were that simple. There are two ways to fight this war, especially in places like Iraq and Afghanistan. We can do the soft way (hearts and minds), or we can do the more effective Spartan/Machiavellian way (bullets into hearts and minds). What I mean is: we are currently trying to look like the good guys, trying to help people, building roads, painting schools, erecting churches (er Mosques) and generally pandering to the nation we're occupying. One school of thought (I didn't come up with this, I'm only sharing it as an alternative) states that the kids gloves need to come off; that we need to play by their rules if we're ever going to win. This can be achieved very simply. If you're an enemy, you die. If you aid the enemy, you die. No longer will we pander to their rules, their ideas, their methodology. They execute their prisoners by beheading them, we send them to Cuba? No more, we put their heads on poles outside of collaborating villages. Scare them, show them no mercy, no quarter. Many think this methodology will only create more enemies, I can't say for sure, but I will say that the current tactic we're using doesn't seem to be working. We need to look at the root cause- why was Afghanistan so peaceful back in the 1970's and then became violent for the last 40+ years? Russia really screwed that up. And when a vacuum is created, the most powerful will fill it. When that more powerful force filling the void is hell bent on evil, we're in trouble. This is why we nation build.
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