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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave_L View Post
    Interesting column from inside Israel:

    http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/shalom-motherfr/
    I love his sign-off in that article.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave_L View Post
    Interesting column from inside Israel:

    http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/shalom-motherfr/
    Excellent!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave_L View Post
    Interesting column from inside Israel:

    http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/shalom-motherfr/
    Very well written! I like how he compares Hamas and other anti-Israel groups to Nazis. Pretty to the point. I stand with Israel as I have several friends over there right now hoping that today isn't the day that a rocket from Gaza hits them or their family.
    "There is no news in the truth, and no truth in the news."
    "The revolution will not be televised... Instead it will be filmed from multiple angles via cell phone cameras, promptly uploaded to YouTube, Tweeted about, and then shared on Facebook, pending a Wi-Fi connection."

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    I had a friend- who had a masters in religious history (not liberal at all, btw), and he said "Before there was Mohammad there was Israel. Before Jesus, there was Israel. Before Islam, and what we conceive to be modern Christianity, there was Israel. So tell me again which people have a right to which land?"
    "There is no news in the truth, and no truth in the news."
    "The revolution will not be televised... Instead it will be filmed from multiple angles via cell phone cameras, promptly uploaded to YouTube, Tweeted about, and then shared on Facebook, pending a Wi-Fi connection."

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    I truly do love the Israelis. I worked for 5 years for an Israeli based company, loved it. No bullshit, just results. You did your job or you got your ass handed to you, it was that simple, and frankly easy to succeed.

    I truly love their mentality. This is the line in the sand, don't cross it, we'll let you hump all the goats you want. Step over that line and we will slam your dick in the dirt.
    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem. --TJ

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    A facebook contact posted this today. I find it hilarious that the flow chart says "Just accept and parrot what corporate media tells you". This is the same guy that said it's easier to buy a gun than a fishing license. Notice how the "history" doesn't show anything pre 1946? Polly want a cracker?


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    That chart is so full of liberal horseshit.

    I suppose I could have just said the chart is liberal.

    Liberals have more in common with Islam than with the US Constitution.

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    I wonder if I'll get called a Nazi, and thrown under the bus right away...

    Most of the dislike for Israel stems from the formation of it. Simply put, it was a mess from a get go, and more preparation should have been done to get it close to "right" (like not seizing deeded property).

    There's also some dislike because of things their military has done, such as: using white phosphorus, using Palestinian children as human shields, forcing children to investigate potential IEDs, and there was one case where a farming settlement was bulldozed due to building code violations, and the farmers couldn't leave or receive Red Cross aid.

    The above are pretty much the main reasons why the media is biased aagainst Israel.

    I'm not exactly fond of Israel, because of how terrible of an ally they are, considering the billions of foreign aid we send them each year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberjager View Post
    I wonder if I'll get called a Nazi, and thrown under the bus right away...

    Most of the dislike for Israel stems from the formation of it. Simply put, it was a mess from a get go, and more preparation should have been done to get it close to "right" (like not seizing deeded property).

    There's also some dislike because of things their military has done, such as: using white phosphorus, using Palestinian children as human shields, forcing children to investigate potential IEDs, and there was one case where a farming settlement was bulldozed due to building code violations, and the farmers couldn't leave or receive Red Cross aid.

    The above are pretty much the main reasons why the media is biased aagainst Israel.

    I'm not exactly fond of Israel, because of how terrible of an ally they are, considering the billions of foreign aid we send them each year.
    If you go back far enough, Palestine was the place where Judaism came from after the Exodus from Egypt. This was before Mohammad even was a twinkle in his daddy's eye... actually, long before his dad was even born. The Jewish homeland predates Islam. So giving them land in that particular part of the world wasn't just a "let's give them a place to live" it was more "lets give them an officially recognized state where they have a viable and legitimate claim. After all, their holy sites are all located within the borders of modern-day Israel.

    Please explain how they're a terrible ally? Because they're too busy fighting for their own survival to send troops to our wars? They're doing what Jefferson and Washington stated we should do: Not meddle in others' affairs, worry about yourself. You really can't fault them for that. And think of this, as the situation explained video put it: If the Arabs/Palestinians put down their guns today and said we will fight no more, there would be peace. If the Israelis put down their guns today and said we will fight no more, they would be annihilated. Ponder that one for a second. Plus, the "using Palestinians as human shields" is complete and utter bovine feces. They're not hiding their munitions in schools and innocent's homes. They're not shooting from behind civilians. Hamas is. Wherever you're getting your "facts" I'd double check the source.
    "There is no news in the truth, and no truth in the news."
    "The revolution will not be televised... Instead it will be filmed from multiple angles via cell phone cameras, promptly uploaded to YouTube, Tweeted about, and then shared on Facebook, pending a Wi-Fi connection."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin13 View Post
    If you go back far enough, Palestine was the place where Judaism came from after the Exodus from Egypt. This was before Mohammad even was a twinkle in his daddy's eye... actually, long before his dad was even born. The Jewish homeland predates Islam. So giving them land in that particular part of the world wasn't just a "let's give them a place to live" it was more "lets give them an officially recognized state where they have a viable and legitimate claim. After all, their holy sites are all located within the borders of modern-day Israel.

    Please explain how they're a terrible ally? Because they're too busy fighting for their own survival to send troops to our wars? They're doing what Jefferson and Washington stated we should do: Not meddle in others' affairs, worry about yourself. You really can't fault them for that. And think of this, as the situation explained video put it: If the Arabs/Palestinians put down their guns today and said we will fight no more, there would be peace. If the Israelis put down their guns today and said we will fight no more, they would be annihilated. Ponder that one for a second. Plus, the "using Palestinians as human shields" is complete and utter bovine feces. They're not hiding their munitions in schools and innocent's homes. They're not shooting from behind civilians. Hamas is. Wherever you're getting your "facts" I'd double check the source.
    I don't have a problem with them having that land. Nor do I have a problem with the Jewish Autonomous Oblast. However, they were gone from the land for well over a thousand years, and there had been many Palestinians living there for many generations. They went about forming the state the wrong way.

    They're a terrible ally for a number of reasons. One would be the Lavon Affair in the 1950's, which was a series of planned false flag terrorist attacks, which would have killed Americans and Europeans in an attempt to rally support for Israel and keep the British on the Suez. Fortunately, their plan failed. There was the USS Liberty incident, during the Six Day War, where Israel launched an illegal and unprovoked attack against the USS Liberty as it was in international waters. 34 US sailors were killed, and many more were injured. It was chalked up as an accident, but there were several politicians, who believed the attack was intentional. Then there was Jonathan Pollard, who worked with the Israelis and gave them all kinds of classified information. You could say, "Oh Israel just took what was given to them...", but they've been pushing for his release, and those, who are critical of him and the idea of him being released early, have been called antisemites. Since then, Israel has sold U.S. military technology to China, which was given to Israel in confidence. There's also been a whole bunch of other stuff, and Newsweek ran an article on it: http://www.newsweek.com/israels-aggr...0278?piano_t=1
    It's not a very good way to treat a nation, who's given you billions of dollars (5 billion alone last year).

    As far as human shields go, it's obviously not rampant, but it has happened, and it obviously causes a stir when it does. As far as sources go:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3650791.stm
    This report by amnesty international has details on the IDF's use of Palestinian children:
    https://www.amnesty.org/en/library/a...50152009en.pdf
    Last edited by Uberjager; 07-28-2014 at 19:43.

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