Why does the Liberal Media hate Israel so much?

[Uberjager]

If you go back far enough, Palestine was the place where Judaism came from after the Exodus from Egypt. This was before Mohammad even was a twinkle in his daddy's eye... actually, long before his dad was even born. The Jewish homeland predates Islam. So giving them land in that particular part of the world wasn't just a "let's give them a place to live" it was more "lets give them an officially recognized state where they have a viable and legitimate claim. After all, their holy sites are all located within the borders of modern-day Israel.

Please explain how they're a terrible ally? Because they're too busy fighting for their own survival to send troops to our wars? They're doing what Jefferson and Washington stated we should do: Not meddle in others' affairs, worry about yourself. You really can't fault them for that. And think of this, as the situation explained video put it: If the Arabs/Palestinians put down their guns today and said we will fight no more, there would be peace. If the Israelis put down their guns today and said we will fight no more, they would be annihilated. Ponder that one for a second. Plus, the "using Palestinians as human shields" is complete and utter bovine feces. They're not hiding their munitions in schools and innocent's homes. They're not shooting from behind civilians. Hamas is. Wherever you're getting your "facts" I'd double check the source.

I don't have a problem with them having that land. Nor do I have a problem with the Jewish Autonomous Oblast. However, they were gone from the land for well over a thousand years, and there had been many Palestinians living there for many generations. They went about forming the state the wrong way.

They're a terrible ally for a number of reasons. One would be the Lavon Affair in the 1950's, which was a series of planned false flag terrorist attacks, which would have killed Americans and Europeans in an attempt to rally support for Israel and keep the British on the Suez. Fortunately, their plan failed. There was the USS Liberty incident, during the Six Day War, where Israel launched an illegal and unprovoked attack against the USS Liberty as it was in international waters. 34 US sailors were killed, and many more were injured. It was chalked up as an accident, but there were several politicians, who believed the attack was intentional. Then there was Jonathan Pollard, who worked with the Israelis and gave them all kinds of classified information. You could say, "Oh Israel just took what was given to them...", but they've been pushing for his release, and those, who are critical of him and the idea of him being released early, have been called antisemites. Since then, Israel has sold U.S. military technology to China, which was given to Israel in confidence. There's also been a whole bunch of other stuff, and Newsweek ran an article on it: http://www.newsweek.com/israels-aggr...0278?piano_t=1
It's not a very good way to treat a nation, who's given you billions of dollars (5 billion alone last year).

As far as human shields go, it's obviously not rampant, but it has happened, and it obviously causes a stir when it does. As far as sources go:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3650791.stm
This report by amnesty international has details on the IDF's use of Palestinian children:
https://www.amnesty.org/en/library/a...50152009en.pdf

[speedysst]

Im a little confused. What does the USS Liberty incident have to do with the current situation?

[funkymonkey1111]

still haven't seen any evidence of a human shield, despite the BBC story.

I don't have a problem with them having that land. Nor do I have a problem with the Jewish Autonomous Oblast. However, they were gone from the land for well over a thousand years, and there had been many Palestinians living there for many generations. They went about forming the state the wrong way.

They're a terrible ally for a number of reasons. One would be the Lavon Affair in the 1950's, which was a series of planned false flag terrorist attacks, which would have killed Americans and Europeans in an attempt to rally support for Israel and keep the British on the Suez. Fortunately, their plan failed. There was the USS Liberty incident, during the Six Day War, where Israel launched an illegal and unprovoked attack against the USS Liberty as it was in international waters. 34 US sailors were killed, and many more were injured. It was chalked up as an accident, but there were several politicians, who believed the attack was intentional. Then there was Jonathan Pollard, who worked with the Israelis and gave them all kinds of classified information. You could say, "Oh Israel just took what was given to them...", but they've been pushing for his release, and those, who are critical of him and the idea of him being released early, have been called antisemites. Since then, Israel has sold U.S. military technology to China, which was given to Israel in confidence. There's also been a whole bunch of other stuff, and Newsweek ran an article on it: http://www.newsweek.com/israels-aggr...0278?piano_t=1
It's not a very good way to treat a nation, who's given you billions of dollars (5 billion alone last year).

As far as human shields go, it's obviously not rampant, but it has happened, and it obviously causes a stir when it does. As far as sources go:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3650791.stm
This report by amnesty international has details on the IDF's use of Palestinian children:
https://www.amnesty.org/en/library/a...50152009en.pdf

[Irving]

There is an AWESOME video of IDF using a terrorist as a human shield, but not in the same context of this conversation.

[Doc45]

Revisit the 1948 war. All the Arab states told the Arab Palestinians to move out as the Jews would get pushed into the sea. Surprise-didn't happen, none of the other Arab countries wanted the Pallys. Eventually in 1979 Egypt signed a peace treaty and what was the outcome? Anwar Sadat was killed by jihadists for that treaty-a tense peace has continued since. In 1994 the late King Hussein of Jordan realized that Israel is here to stay so he made peace, it's been difficult at times but it's held. The Jordanians are wonderful people, very friendly and now have to deal with the rising tide of the jihadists in their country.

Prior to the Balfour Declaration of 1918 the Jews and Muslims had been coexisting, somewhat peacefully depending on the exact area for many years.

As to the argument that all the Jews had long left is utter nonesense. There have always been Jews living there, yes the numbers decreased greatly-mostly due to pogroms, and look how they were treated (along with Christians) that had been living for generations in the neighboring countries.

Just look at what we in the west call "The Temple Mount". If one adheres to theological beliefs it is the spot where Abraham was prepared to sacrifice Isaac. It is the place where many centuries later Mohammed ascended to heaven. There was recently an outstanding IMAX film playing at the Museum of Science and Nature in Denver that looked at Jerusalem from the religious perspective of three girls-Jewish, Muslim and Christian. It didn't really delve into the political quagmire but instead looked at the city from each of their views and the role it played/plays in their faiths.

As a quote attributed to the late Gold Meir goes, and I'm paraphrasing, "there will be peace when the Arabs love their children more than they hate ours (Jewish)". Frankly I don't feel there will ever truly be peace. I've spent a lot of time in the Middle East, both on a professional and personal level. I've thoroughly enjoyed myself every trip to Jordan and Israel. I would love to go back some day, but that day will have to wait.

Hamas will gladly sacrifice every child, woman, old man and old woman rather than take the tiniest steps to make peace. They destroyed much of the infrastructure that was installed when Israelis built up the W.B. and Gaza because they were built by Jews. Haven't done any rebuilding in all that time. Arafat was incredibly corrupt, kept all the millions that were poured his way by us and the Europeans NOT to build up the infrastructure but to build up his own (and that of his inner circle's) wealth.


If Hamas and all their ilk put down their arms there will be peace, if Israel puts down it's arms there will be no Israel.

[sabot_round]

I wonder if I'll get called a Nazi, and thrown under the bus right away...

Most of the dislike for Israel stems from the formation of it. Simply put, it was a mess from a get go, and more preparation should have been done to get it close to "right" (like not seizing deeded property).

There's also some dislike because of things their military has done, such as: using white phosphorus, using Palestinian children as human shields, forcing children to investigate potential IEDs, and there was one case where a farming settlement was bulldozed due to building code violations, and the farmers couldn't leave or receive Red Cross aid.

The above are pretty much the main reasons why the media is biased aagainst Israel.

I'm not exactly fond of Israel, because of how terrible of an ally they are, considering the billions of foreign aid we send them each year.

It is obvious to me that you have never worked with them. The Israelis care for their country and their people, and they will not hesitate to sacrifice their life for either. Could you elaborate more as to why they are a terrible ally?

[HoneyBadger]

Just read today that Hamas spends an average of $30 million USD on each of the tunnels they build. What if they built schools and hospitals and infrastructure with the money we gave them instead of tunnels to invade and attack our ally?

[Uberjager]

Im a little confused. What does the USS Liberty incident have to do with the current situation?

I was asked why I considered Israel to be a terrible ally, and that's one reason why.

[Mick-Boy]

Anyone else starting to have flashbacks?

What Am I Missing? - Israel and Hamas (Palestinians)

[speedysst]

So you're holding a 47 year old grudge? Wow.

I was asked why I considered Israel to be a terrible ally, and that's one reason why.