Malaysian Flight Down Over Ukraine?

[thvigil11]

They need to declare the skies a "Missile Free Zone", that and ban high capacity missiles.

[SRG720]

Haha, "intercepted phone calls". Yeah, reliable info those calls are considering they're being 'intercepted' by the Ukrainian govt. The same govt that denies having sam systems in the area capable of shooting down an airliner. But you see.. It was the 'terrorists' that did it!!!

They've already made a claim that a Russian AF plane shot down one of their su25s. Lots of claims, accusations, intercepted phone calls and mouth foaming flying around. But so far no evidence to substantiate any of it.

Even if the Ukrainian govt gets caught with their pants down on this they'll still spin the narrative to point the finger at Russia regardless.

[Aloha_Shooter]

Haha, "intercepted phone calls". Yeah, reliable info those calls are considering they're being 'intercepted' by the Ukrainian govt. The same govt that denies having sam systems in the area capable of shooting down an airliner. But you see.. It was the 'terrorists' that did it!!!

Did you even listen to the calls? The intercepts are pretty good. IIRC, the airliner in question was operating at normal flight altitudes for an intercontinental flight -- the SAMs in question are much more capable than MANPADS that expect to hit a helicopter or CAS/TAS aircraft at less than 10,000 ft.

[SRG720]

Do you speak Russian?

[SRG720]

I mean holy crap I can sit down, call some friends and make some 'intercepts' myself

[Ridge]

Do you speak Russian?

This guy on another forum I'm on does...

I tried my best to translate this transcript. I'm neither Russian, nor Ukrainian so excuse any mistakes if you are. The gist of it should be mostly correct. The audio sounds genuine, but then again who knows.

Bes: Group <Miner> just downed a plane over the village of Enakievo
Geranin: Where are the pilots? (I assume he means group Miner)
Bes: They went to look for and photograph the wreckage. It's smoking.
Geranin: When did this happen?
Bes: Around half an hour ago.
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Greek: Yes, Major.
Major: So, it was the Chernohinkie group that did it. Those Cossacks there at their post. The plane disintegrated in mid-air in the area of the Petropavlovka Mine. They've found the 200th corpse. Civilian.
Greek: So, what do you have there?
Major: We're certain it was civilians only.
Greek: Are there a lot of people there?
Major: Fuck.. The debris was falling in people's yards.
Greek: What kind of plane?
Major: I still don't know - I still haven't reached the main crashsite, only where the first bodies have fallen. There are remains of seats and people there.
Greek: Ok, any weapons?
Major: Not at all. Civilian items - medical supplies, towels, toilet paper.
Greek: Any documents?
Major: Yes. There's one of an Indonesian Student from the Thompson University.
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Kozitzin: The plane that was shot down in the Snezhogo - Tozera. It turned out it was a passenger plane. It fell in the Grabovo area - there's a sea of corpses there, women and children. Right now the Cossacks are looking it over.
Soldier: They said it was an An-26 on the TV - Ukrainian, transport, but they say it had "Malaysian Airlines" written on it! What was it doing over Ukraine?
Kozitzin: So they were bringing in spies. (They talk over each other). There is a war going on!

[SRG720]

Yeah? Its on the interwebs so it must be true, right? Pretty sophisticated hardware for a bunch of ragtag plumbers and car mechanics.

Why isn't anyone asking about all the missile systems the ukr army has in the area?

[Ridge]

Yeah? Its on the interwebs so it must be true, right? Pretty sophisticated hardware for a bunch of ragtag plumbers and car mechanics.

Why isn't anyone asking about all the missile systems the ukr army has in the area?

Again, they captured Ukrainian AA systems last month

http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_0...allation-1561/

[SRG720]

That info is unverified. But let's assume they did capture that hardware.. Does it mean they shot mh17 down? Presumed captured and they already know how to use it?

[SRG720]

Ridge, what's the source of these intercepts? Who provided them? Who stands to gain?