Eow feedback discussion

[mightymouse]

If what your selling is a good deal, then I'm sure another buyer will step right up. Regardless, these sorts of threads cause me to mentally put the seller into the 'god what a whiner' list and mentally blacklist them from future deals.

Just something to masticate on.

[ryanek9freak]

I always make a copy of someone's licence when I sell a gun privatley. Just so I can show the ATF should they ever show up at my house with gun trace data.

Anyone who has a problem with it can fuck themselves. If you've got nothing to hide, then why would that be the back out factor?

[Irving]

Do you also make a copy of your license and give it to the buyer?

[ryanek9freak]

Why the hell should I do that? I'm selling the gun, not buying it. I agree with Birddog, it's for my own protection.

I DO give them a bill of sale, stating who they bought it from and for how much. Bottom line, asking for a licence or other form of in state residency ID, is the law. No ID, NO GUN. Period.

And for what it's worth, no person I've ever sold to has even has so much of a smidgen of a problem with me copying their licence.

[ryanek9freak]

Ok, thought about it. Sure, if wanted my licence, why the hell not, I mean, it doens't have my SSN on it, and alot of times the buyers come to my house, so they already know where I live.

Wouldn't really be giving out any info, other than what they already know.

[Irving]

That's because people who have a problem with it, won't buy from you. Oh how I'd love to sell a crime gun to a guy, then if the police come sniffing around, conveniently have a copy of his driver's license to send them on their way to him; wouldn't that be nice.

Why should your buyer give you a copy of their license just because they are buying the gun? Do you require a copy of the license when selling a bicycle? The state does NOT require that you keep private information of a buyer, only that you verify the age. All that takes is a look at the license.

[ryanek9freak]

ANd if I memorize the info and write it down later?
Last time I checked, you couldn't put bullets in a bike.

And I know that the state doesn't require me to keep the info of a buyer. I DO.

[Pancho Villa]

I don't really have a problem with it. Guy is the owner of the gun, after all, he can set what terms he wants for its sale.

It may cover your ass. I don't really care. I don't like having guns "traceable" to me, on principle; I don't like our system of not-really-but-sorta gun registration. So I get them privately when I can. I won't ask for or participate in a transaction where someone wants my liscense.

Still, if the ATF ever came to me about a gun used in a crime, the story will be the simple truth: "Sorry dudes, sold that one privately some time ago."

[RRD3]

Still, if the ATF ever came to me about a gun used in a crime, the story will be the simple truth: "Sorry dudes, sold that one privately some time ago."

That's the law. It's "still" legal to sell a firearm as a person to person transaction as long as you know that the person is of age, can legally own a firearm to the best of your knowledge, and is not intending to use the firearm in any illegal activities.

From what I was told by an attorney some time ago, a bill of sale written or typed on a piece of paper is just that. A piece of paper with NO legal precedence.

[Irving]

Bottom line, asking for a licence or other form of in state residency ID, is the law. No ID, NO GUN. Period.

Why do you bring up the law, if the law doesn't support your actions? It is your decision to make a copy of a license or not, no one can take that away from you, but don't use the law as your reference if the law doesn't say that you have to.

There are certain things that I require from my customers that are not based on the law, but prior experiences. I will explain to people that our company policy is set this way because we have been burned before, and I don't want the customer to feel like I don't trust them. Most people don't feel slighted by our company policy, because I tell them that we've been taken advantage of before, and they understand because they work in the same industry and know what people are capable of.

If you asked for a copy of my license, and I agreed contingent on me getting a copy of your license, what does that say about you as a seller if you refuse?