"Come on cuz! Let me get that 9 milli. Hurry up."Originally Posted by sniper7
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"Come on cuz! Let me get that 9 milli. Hurry up."
I was also told that it being notarized does not make it a legal document either. Can it hurt to have a 3rd party witness. No. But if your going to go through that kind of hassle then you might as well take your ass to an FFL or retail shop.
trust has to be notarized to be a legal document.
If people are that worried about a bill of sale, why don't you just take the guy to an FFL, have him pay the fee and he can do a background check.
the whole point of a FTF transaction is for it to be simple. no paperwork, no FFL, no CBI, no .gov bullshit, no liberals telling you what to do.
it should be the same as selling a bicycle or a car.
If the guy gives you a weird feeling then don't sell it to him but the law only says legal age and resident and that you do not know him to be a felon. if he is and gets caught with possession, then he will get nailed for it.
show me a story where they have come back to a previous gun owner for selling a gun from his personal collection that was later used in a crime that came down on the previous owner.
Sniper7....I don't know about the profit thing working against you. Thats just the market and you can't get screwed because of it. Collector guns, antiques etc. go up with age. Not a crime to make a profit. Just smart! I would however think they would get you if you looked to be in business like this without the ever powerful FFL.
But the point I was trying to get across is that law does require you be a state resident. You have to at least SHOW your id. Or a utility bill, etc..
I mean, if someone refused, I guess I would still sell to them, if I was getting a good vibe. Just the same as well, even if someone offered to show me ID, if I got a bad vibe from them, I'd go through an FFL.
I spent my Obama Stimulus money on a GUN!
exactly! it requires you to show you are a resident. you could even look at the guys license plate and see it has colorado tags or have him flash is CO ID. nobody would blink an eye about it since they show their idea all the time. but when you write the persons info down, not required by law.
So apply that. If it isn't required why do you feel you have to go above and beyond.
Do you stop at a stop sign, wait 3 seconds and then decide to wait a couple more just because you feel like you should go above and beyond to protect yourself? NOPE.
Do you fill out a form 4473 at the FFL, then mail them a copy of your drivers license so they can have that on file as well just because you want them to know you really are the one buying the gun? NOPE.
are you preparing yourself for what Brady wants? are you trying to enact their wishes? Then why are you doing it? it is not required by law, people hate the paperwork already out there because there shouldn't be ANY paperwork to begin with.
What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not get. people say it all the time, then they do not live by it, and then accept the new laws without blinking and eye and wanting to do more and more. why?
think about that.
Think about this: I just want some sort of record of who I sold a FIREARM to. Not a bike, car, knife, boat or tools. A fucking GUN. I don't want MY ass on the line when cops show up at my door telling me that they found MY GUN at a homicide scene.
All I need to do is walk down to my filing cabinet, and say "Here you go, here's the guy I sold it to" I want to help law enforcement, not hinder them. It goes a long way in cooperating with them. If all they have to go on is "I sold it to some guy from Thronton 3 years ago" Then it's not going to help with the invesitgation very much is it?
What part of that do you not understand? Do you guys hate or distrust law enforcement?
I spent my Obama Stimulus money on a GUN!
ANd for the last god damn time, I know it's not required by law.
I spent my Obama Stimulus money on a GUN!
and if the car you sold was used in a drug running scheme, or a hit and run accident.
what if the gun has been sold by the guy you sold it to. What happens if they don't care you sold the gun and find you have no alibi and you admitted to owning the gun, say you forged the paperwork and come down on you then.
the piece of paper you hand to them is not a legal document.
If you are that worried about selling a gunto the guy, why would you sell it to him. If you are soo concerned about the person and you want to sell it, why didn't you go through an FFL and have a background check done on him. Did you not realize he was mentally unstable when you sold it to him. Did you check his ID, did you find out what he was going to use the gun for and why he wanted it?
All of those are questions the LEO can ask you and still come down on you for selling the guy a gun. You COULD get nailed for selling to a felon. now your piece of paper really means nothing.
If you are that worried where you want a bill of sale, go to an FFL or don't sell the gun.
and you said you don't want your ass on the line when the cops show up. it already is on the line by you selling the gun to the guy. bill of sale or not. it may prove you didn't do that particular crime, but they might get you for selling to someone who wasn't legally allowed to own a gun. then they will really dig into your personal life.
bill of sale is worthless. go to an FFL if you want paperwork.
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