Denver Police Department

[Bailey Guns]

Elhuero...

You forgot, "All cops are just little punks who got beat up in school and only became cops so they'd have the badge and gun and could exact some measure of revenge for what they suffered in their formative years."

It's kinda like all the tough guys out there who loudly proclaim their intentions of kickin' the cop's ass who arrested them after the handcuffs have been put on and they've been safely stuffed into the back of a patrol car.

[AK545Man]

1.I'm telling you that 'we' did it when I worked for DHS. Not I specifically. Pay attention to the words.

2. If it was my house it would've been different. I won't retract that either.

3. And I feel as though my "super patriots" comment is warranted. There are way too many who close a blind eye to things simply because they can't believe it.

Perhaps you're one of those?

Not accusing, just asking.

[ChunkyMonkey]

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LEO vs. EMT

Guys, keep in mind, just like lawyers, stock brokers, bankers, accountants, or any other professional groups, LEOs are humans like you and I. Some departments have great selection process and superb training while others are under budgeted and down right corrupted. I typically blame bad LEOs' conduct on the department. That's why bad LEOs come in group! I refuse to believe that you can generalize the whole group the way some of the posting suggested.

[Bailey Guns]

1.I'm telling you that 'we' did it when I worked for DHS. Not I specifically. Pay attention to the words.

Or perhaps you need to learn the language and meaning of certain words. If you don't know what the word means, my suggestion would be don't use it. You said "we" in the context of you and others. I'm failing to see how what you said could realistically be interpreted any other way.

Def: we (w)pron.1. Used by the speaker or writer to indicate the speaker or writer along with another or others as the subject:
2. Used to refer to people in general, including the speaker or writer:

2. If it was my house it would've been different. I won't retract that either.

If you say so. Though in reality you don't know what would have happened. Maybe, had it been your home, the reasoning for the officers being there would have been clear and you might have understood their motivations. Or maybe you would have been an ass and got yourself thrown in jail. You just don't know for sure despite your internet bravado.

3. And I feel as though my "super patriots" comment is warranted. There are way too many who close a blind eye to things simply because they can't believe it.

Well good for you. I oftentimes "feel" people resort to name-calling when they can't express themselves in logical terms and emotion is all they've got. Or they heard it somewhere else and it sounded good.

Perhaps you're one of those?

Perhaps. Or perhaps I believe that you're offering grand generalizations and stereotypes based on other factors and you can't believe (or "feel") that you might be wrong.

Not accusing, just asking.

Yeah. Sure. Whatever you say.

[AK545Man]

Generalizations. Pulling out definitions to belittle, etc.

I think your descriptions of me sound more like you than me.

Thanks for the internet bravado comment. I had a good laugh on that one. What this whole thing has turned into is you want to be seen as the knowledgeable one here because you used to be an l.e.o.

That's fine and I'm sure you were a decent one because like I've always said there are good ones.

However saying I didn't express myself clearly so I resorted to name calling is ridiculous. I'm not going to go into the things that happened in DHS because there's no reason to. What would me telling all of stories do? Nothing.

I'm also not going to try and dispute with you how exactly it would've went down if it would've been my house. You make it as though I'm saying I would've went for the shotgun and had a Waco happen. That's your ex-law enforcement side still lingering I think. I simply said that I couldn't comment in a positive way and it would have been different.

There's been plenty of times where l.e.o's have been great. There's also been times after I stopped working for the DHS that I've had bad run-ins with police. And yes some people in America still believe everything in the books and don't believe that things can be as f***** up as they are sometimes.

I'm simply saying. Anyway I like discussion and I'm not mad so I hope you're not.

[AK545Man]

Also, I used 'we' in the proper context. If I was in the organization, I wouldn't say 'they'.

[GunTroll]

Or perhaps you need to learn the language and meaning of certain words. If you don't know what the word means, my suggestion would be don't use it. You said "we" in the context of you and others. I'm failing to see how what you said could realistically be interpreted any other way.

Def: we (w)pron.1. Used by the speaker or writer to indicate the speaker or writer along with another or others as the subject:
2. Used to refer to people in general, including the speaker or writer:



If you say so. Though in reality you don't know what would have happened. Maybe, had it been your home, the reasoning for the officers being there would have been clear and you might have understood their motivations. Or maybe you would have been an ass and got yourself thrown in jail. You just don't know for sure despite your internet bravado.



Well good for you. I oftentimes "feel" people resort to name-calling when they can't express themselves in logical terms and emotion is all they've got. Or they heard it somewhere else and it sounded good.



Perhaps. Or perhaps I believe that you're offering grand generalizations and stereotypes based on other factors and you can't believe (or "feel") that you might be wrong.



Yeah. Sure. Whatever you say.

What is all this crap? Since LE didn't work out for you maybe you could be a teacher or something. Condescending a bit you think!?

And AK guy...you'll find lots like this here. Call em' out every time as you are already doing!



Um tasty!

[jackmode9316]

It's kinda like all the tough guys out there who loudly proclaim their intentions of kickin' the cop's ass who arrested them after the handcuffs have been put on and they've been safely stuffed into the back of a patrol car.

I thought only drunks and children did that? .

[AK545Man]

Mostly. lol


p.s. Some crack-heads too.

[Fal Grunt]

I also think, that in a lot of cases, people will essentially open the door, basically invite them in, LEO's search, etc. etc. Then after the fact the homeowner is pissed off (of course) does some research/talks to people and realizes that they didn't HAVE to get searched. No sympathy for those that learn AFTER the fact. Learn your rights, exercise them, and you will have my support. If the father had stepped out, closed the door and politely stated he doesn't consent to searches, and the beat him down with nightsticks and kicked his door in shouting "this is the police" then you would have my full support. Instances like these are like thinking of a good comeback twelve hours after an argument is already over. You might want to act like it matters, but it doesn't count.

People act like its LEO's responsibility to teach them their rights. "Ma'am, can we come in? We would like to search your house to see if you have any meth making products, but did you know by the bill of rights you can tell us you don't consent to a search and we would actually have to get a warrant? Oh? we cant come in now?"

Of COURSE they work off peoples ignorance. That doesn't make them bad LEO. That just makes the people NAIVE - their own fault. No cookies for the uneducated.

So its OK for me to screw someone on a car deal because they are not educated? So its OK for me to take money from old people because they are not educated. So its OK for me to take advantage of you, selling you a gun, because YOU are un-educated?

I fail to see how it is OK for Police to take advantage of people based on their ignorance. I've had my dealing with the police, in one, they took advantage of an un-educated guy and put him in jail, sadly on my behalf. When I questioned the officer about his methods he asked what my problem was and if I wanted anything done about the situation. He abused the system and took advantage of someones ignorance.

I'm all about people educating themselves, to protect themselves FROM being taken advantage of by Police that would.

-myers