Denver Police Department

[4kilo12]

I didn't read any of the middle but I gather he was innocent yet consented to the search?

No means no

Hint from an insider if the police are there to talk to you ABOUT you, they are not really trying to help you out regardless of what they say 9/10 times unless you know them....


And DPD entered his home and he is alive he is a lucky guy


Just kidding DPD yous guys GTG for the most part

I also am going to let another secret out :
LE at the Fed/State/County/Local Level are humans I know and take your industry I bet at least 20% of your coworkers don't fully know how to do their job exactly right, occasionaly make mistakes, and some are just assholes.. There is no job that has perfect people if 20% of your population are assholes than about 20% of your Doctors,GarbageMed,Peace Officers are going to be assholes....

[ChunkyMonkey]

So its OK for me to take advantage of you, selling you a gun, because YOU are un-educated?

-myers

I agree w/ your concern but what maybe un-ethical is still legal. I am all for buyer beware rather than having govt. passing more laws and rules attempting to micro manage our daily live.

[AK545Man]

4kilo12 I agree with what you're saying for the most part. This whole post went south of cheese. It was meant to just be a discussion on why this happened and what were the legal and illegal issues behind it.

And I agree that for the most part Denver PD is not that bad. There's always gonna be shitty people in every job. I had a warehouse gig once and we could've easily gotten rid of people.

In the end whether or not he gave them what they thought was consent it still just bothers me that it can happen. And it'll probably happen again.

[4kilo12]

4kilo12 I agree with what you're saying for the most part. This whole post went south of cheese. It was meant to just be a discussion on why this happened and what were the legal and illegal issues behind it.

And I agree that for the most part Denver PD is not that bad. There's always gonna be shitty people in every job. I had a warehouse gig once and we could've easily gotten rid of people.

In the end whether or not he gave them what they thought was consent it still just bothers me that it can happen. And it'll probably happen again.

It boils down to this by nature LE comes in contact with a bunch of scum, some in the middle and some truly brilliant criminals. Most do have a very cynical outlook on life and are used to what I call playing the game of life.

The system most directly benefits the Justice system as in Judges,CA/DA,PD,Private Attny's. Now this is going to sound incredibly opinionated because it is......

The current state of the game is such that frequent customers are treated better because they are repeat business, and in some cases the oops I F@#$ed up once get a much rougher ride than those that are used to playing the game because they are scared, don't know the rules of the game.

In every deputy/officer there was a brilliant criminal who played the I am a decent guy can you help me out here trick and the deputy went for it. Many paid with their life for that the ones who didn't develop a natural distrust of people in general, is this fair NO is this good NO........

without rambling on too much,
Of course LE is going to ask permission to search/enter if their gut feel indicates something stinks, and trust me if they have in their opinion solid PC or (this is iffy with me) RS to enter/open/look they will phrase the question much differently and at that point they are not asking they are just gathering better evidence for the CA\DA to work with. Now if it is truly phrased as a question then they are hoping the criminal is dumb enough to say yes and most of the time they do say yes.

If you don't want to consent and that is your right. The best course of action is this, don't qualify it or justify. Simply: "I do not consent to a search,am I free to go?" Those are the only words you want to say if you don't consent anything else like it's not cause i have anything to hide, or brownshirt motherf@#$er just are words with no legal bearing that could help the officer but will not help you. Polite/Firm/Short and to the point....

Will the officer try and call your bluff, many times yes but in the end if you have not provided RS/PC the Watch Commander will tell the officer let em go, I have heard this a lot through my own radio back in the day a lot. And in this state at the State and County level more so than others you will find people working LE to have the highest integerty, and even though they KNOW said person is guilty as sin, they can't dishonor themselves and lie under oath that they had PC/RS to go ahead and continue the search when they didn't. Not excluding or badmouthing any city folk...



I don't subscribe to the nothing to hide nothing to worry about mindset nr do I suscribe to the Die Oinker you can't talk to me at all crowd...
As it is with most of life it's kind of a grey area. Each interaction is unique and barring UOF (and people make mistakes there to, but because the stakes are so high) people make mistakes, have bad days:
Doctors,Plumbers,Manual Labor, Astronauts, BUT nowhere are the stakes as high and the choice that could save your life or haunt your life happens so fast than LE and the .mil and the people making these choices are not very well compensated when compared to private sector salary packages.

It boils down to you get what you pay for
and due in large to the intergety of the people working for the local LE you get a WHOLE lot more than you pay for because of their dedication and honor.

I am not crying about pay, I have not been active in that role for quite q while, but if everyone involved would broaden their mindset they are people just like you and me LE and criminal alike all are humans, and with that come human traits good and bad...


ramble off

PS The best way to avoid a search is to have current reg/plates/ins, obey traffic laws and don't hang with known criminals. Your chances of the lottery and being searched are about the same if you don't invite LE into your life. In most areas of this state there are just too many priority calls holding for fishing trips

[ChunkyMonkey]

Can someone summarize the previous post?

[4kilo12]

Can someone summarize the previous post?

1.don't write a reply while you are on the phone with tech support and IM'ing a co worker and expect it to even appear sane much less understandable.
2. Don't invite the man into your life, if you do here is how to nicely ask him to leave your life.
3. Da Po Po are people too,

[GunTroll]

In a way I'm with Foxtrot on this one. Got to know even if you would think the "bad" guy should tell you.

[AK545Man]

That goes back to whole comment I made a few pages back where I was talking about the people who are super stars and stripes but they don't know enough to protect their own ass because they believe things like that don't happen. It's a vicious cycle.

[AK545Man]

I wish y'all would've been there to see the look on the cop's face when he asked if I was carrying any weapons the other night.

I told him that I owned them but wasn't carrying any at the moment. Priceless.

[Fal Grunt]

Yes to car, yes to gun, no to old people (that is illegal). Why exactly should the government be your lord protector and savior? People have the ability to teach themselves. If they don't take the initiative, then why exactly should everybody have to be their Mommy and Daddy? If you don't know what a good deal is, should a gun seller be legally obligated to show you a receipt for his original purchase? Then why the hell should a LEO officer have to tell you to tell them that you don't consent to a search? While were at it, why don't we make it so prosecuting lawyers have to be the defense too, cause it obviously works out so well when your forced to work against yourself.

No sympathy for the uneducated. I wont screw you, I have morals.. but I'm not going to ride in and save your butt because you didn't do your research. Why should everyone else do your homework for you? That's "cheating" and it's also immoral. Uneducated buyers are just as much to blame as sellers ripping off for a product you know...

I'm sick and tired of the lazy culture of America, and that doesn't extend just to the physical side. Most American's have no desire to learn anything. They would rather vegetate their brains. They have a right to, but that comes with the responsibility (and fallout) that comes with it.

I don't know why my forum subscriptions don't work... seems I get one for every 6 or so posts.

My point had nothing to do with the government protecting you, or for that matter ANYONE protecting you. You mentioned morals... if you have morals, why would you be screwing someone? Why would you say it is OK to screw someone on a deal with a car or a gun?

I've met alot of stupid people in my life, but ya know what? I don't think to myself, hey, this guy is a moron, I'm gonna take advantage of him! Why the heck would you think that was OK?

My point is the US Government, the Police Department, as was being discussed, should NOT be taking advantage of those who do not know their rights BECAUSE they do not know their rights. In the same way I do not believe it is right for a car dealership to lie to a customer or a gun shop to lie to a customer. Has nothing to do with government regulation or anyone being someones mommy or daddy. Again... you mentioned morality but you are ok with this? As long as someone is ignorant it is no longer immoral?

If you guys are all OK with the government screwing people because of their ignorance then then I wish you a happy and long life. And please... do not ask myself or anyone else for sympathy when you get screwed.

-myers