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    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/...t-at-gunpoint/
    Troop leader: Customs and Border agent held Boy Scout at gunpoint

    A Boy Scout troop from the nation’s heartland is demanding answers and a U.S. senator is expressing outrage after a group of scouts was detained by U.S. Customs and Border Protection agents, with one child allegedly held at gunpoint.
    Jim Fox, the leader of the Mid-Iowa Boy Scout Troop 111, said the incident occurred earlier this month at a checkpoint along the Alaska – Canada border. The scouts and their leaders were on a 21-day trek from Iowa to Alaska – a trip that had been three years in the planning.
    As their vans were moving through a checkpoint into the United States, one of the scouts snapped a photograph. Agents stopped the van and ordered all the passengers to get out. They told the underage photographer that he had committed a federal crime. It was unclear which agency with the Department of Homeland Security's CBP agency was involved in the incident.
    “The agent immediately confiscated his camera, informed him he would be arrested, fined possibly $10,000 and ten years in prison,” Fox told Des Moines television station KCCI.
    During the search, one of the scouts tried to retrieve a bag from the roof carrier. When he turned around, Fox said an agent had a loaded pistol pointed at the child.
    “He heard a snap of the holster, turns around, and here’s this agent, both hands on a loaded pistol, pointing at the young man’s head,” Fox told the television station.
    The scoutmaster wrote a detailed account of the incident on his Facebook page. He said he tried to watch the agents search the van but was ordered to return to his vehicle. An agent followed him and told the youngsters “that the next one to leave the van would be handcuffed and detained.”
    “The agent in charge informed me of the potential charges against (the) scout and informed me it is a violation of federal law for any American to take a picture of a federal agent or any federal building,” Fox wrote.
    Fox said he and another member of the troop were interrogated by agents – forced to answer questions about their background.
    They also wanted to know why the Boy Scouts were hauling “excessive amounts of lighters, matches and knives,” Fox said. After a lengthy delay, the Scouts were released without any charges being filed.
    “The boys were unnecessarily frightened and intimidated,” Fox wrote. “When do we Americans decide enough is enough? The TSA and border guards are a valuable asset to the safety of this country, but to have such Gestapo tactics against a teenage scout is uncalled for.”
    Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, agrees.
    “It’s outrageous that a border patrol agent would point a gun at a boy scout just for taking a picture,” he told the television station. “It just doesn’t make sense.”
    The senator’s office said they are looking into the matter.
    Robert Hooper, the scout executive for the Mid-Iowa Council of the BSA, told me they, too, are upset and disturbed by the allegations.
    “The guys were in scout uniforms,” he said. “I would like to know what caused this to happen. It does sound pretty extreme.”
    Indeed, it does. It’s not like they were attempting to cross into the United States illegally.
    U.S. Customs and Border Protection said they’ve had a chance to investigate – and they can’t find anything out of the ordinary.
    “CBP takes any allegations of wrongdoing very seriously,” read their official statement. “CBP’s review of this group’s inspection, including video footage review indicates that our officer did not un-holster or handle his weapon as stated in the allegation. The review revealed nothing out of the ordinary. We have reached out to the Boy Scout troop for additional information in reference to the allegation. The video footage has been referred to CBP Internal Affairs for further review.”
    So, what we have here is an old-fashioned case of he said, he said – or to be more accurate – the Boys Scouts said, the feds said.
    In cases like this, the quickest way to determine who is being truthful is to look at the video. So I emailed U.S. Customs and Border Protection and officially requested a copy of the video.
    My request was denied.
    I also asked for a copy of the statute that criminalizes Photography 101. I’ve yet to receive a reply.
    Fox is still fired up over how his scouts were treated – and I can’t say I blame him.
    “This was an illegal search and intimidation of Americans returning to their home country,” he said.
    So let’s review, good readers.
    While hordes of illegal immigrants are stampeding across our southern border unimpeded, federal agents along our northern border detained and harassed a group of law-abiding American Boy Scouts.
    I wonder what kind of merit badge they’ll get for that?
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    They also wanted to know why the Boy Scouts were hauling “excessive amounts of lighters, matches and knives,” Fox said.
    Glad my pack never got searched.
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    I want to echo what he said. When will we say enough of this? In a time when everything is on video, even when we cross a street, we should be able to take all the pictures we want.

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    BSA should make a new merit badge for this situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoneyBadger View Post
    BSA should make a new merit badge for this situation.
    We're too busy dealing with the new membership standards and being told it's insufficient because we still discriminate against certain adults.

    The really sad part to me is how many Scouts now couldn't light or cook over a fire if their lives depended on it ...

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    First, it is legal to take pictures of feds or any other police. They work for us.

    https://www.aclu.org/free-speech/kno...-photographers. This has been backed up by the supreme court.

    Second, if you submit a FOIA request they have a very limited time to respond (I seem to remember about 21 days). They have to give up the video.

    Third, really? Just Really??? Gestapo is right!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hound View Post
    First, it is legal to take pictures of feds or any other police. They work for us.

    https://www.aclu.org/free-speech/kno...-photographers. This has been backed up by the supreme court.

    Second, if you submit a FOIA request they have a very limited time to respond (I seem to remember about 21 days). They have to give up the video.

    Third, really? Just Really??? Gestapo is right!!!
    Customs really does not like you taking pictures for some reason. Note the signs coming through the airport next time you enter from out of the country. Will take another lawsuit to reverse that policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hound View Post
    Third, really? Just Really??? Gestapo is right!!!
    No kidding! We were just talking about the TSA the other day (you can lump CBP in that too), "Hi, Mr. TSA agent, I'm the Fourth Amendment, have we met?"
    "There is no news in the truth, and no truth in the news."
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