Cops kill man playing with BB gun at Walmart

[Bailey Guns]

Sometimes I dont wonder if they are so quick to jump the gun and drop him he doesnt get more than a 5-10 second window if that. Consider it as a non gun owner.

Uh, no. If the cops were pointing guns at me yelling, "Drop the gun!", it's not gonna take me 5-10 seconds to figure out what I should do. My guess is he wanted to convince them the gun wasn't real. They, on the other hand, convinced him their guns were real.

Sounds like the other lady died from the stress of the incident. In my opinion, as it relates to the open carry types we're hearing so much about, if this doesn't convince you openly carrying a long gun in an urban area is a bad idea, nothing will. Regardless of your rights or whether or not it's legal.

And you can bet the family/baby momma sees nothing but $$ signs in this. Guy wasn't even cold before they're contacting the NAACP.

[MED]

There are two things I would like to say. If I see somebody with a firearm, they are either walking with it or using it. If a guy is walking around with a firearm, he is likely just open carry; keep alert as always and go about your business. A lot of people and the police in this case are paranoid.

The second thing I would like to say relates to a personal experience and a little more sensitive so I hope I word this correctly. A really good friend of mine is black, and one disagreement we had was about police and how they respond. So, we were driving along in her brother's truck and the lights came on behind us. She got off the road in a dark area, other cruisers came up, she only cracked the window and was very evasive. Next thing I know there were five cruisers there. She was stopped for an expired tag and now we were both out of the car because the stop was suspicious. When we were driving away, I got the "see what happens when you are black." My answer was, "see what happens when you don't cooperate." It seems like there is just an unwillingness to cooperate, and it results in a lot of stupid escalations

It all comes down to this: COOPERATE! Unless you just want to see the SHTF, do as you are asked and clean up any legal issues later. This whole thing sounds like a pretty stupid loss of life. Stupid guy for not doing as he was told and stupid cops for not reading the situation better. It sounds like an all around stupid event and now there are three kids without a dad along with a bystander's death.

Edit: I agree a lot with Bailey on this. I don't see the point in carrying long guns in an urban environment. All this movement is going to do is result in yet another ban so that when there is actually a need for it at some point, it will be illegal. Personally, I have no desire to be noticed and I prefer to just blend into my surroundings.

[Zundfolge]

...if this doesn't convince you openly carrying a long gun in an urban area is a bad idea, nothing will.

While I generally agree that there's no real good reason to carry a long gun in an urban area, there is a HUGE difference between carrying a rifle and brandishing one ... it sounds like this guy was brandishing, not simply carrying.

[Bailey Guns]

While I generally agree that there's no real good reason to carry a long gun in an urban area, there is a HUGE difference between carrying a rifle and brandishing one ... it sounds like this guy was brandishing, not simply carrying.

I'm talking about the higher potential for an incident happening. I think that's definitely present, especially when you (as the person carrying the long gun openly) don't know how people are going to react and what they're going to say to the police upon seeing you.

One man's "open carry" is another's "brandishing".

[osok-308]

While I generally agree that there's no real good reason to carry a long gun in an urban area, there is a HUGE difference between carrying a rifle and brandishing one ... it sounds like this guy was brandishing, not simply carrying.

Acting like a fake gun is real falls into the "felony menacing" category. If the cops believed it to be a real gun and this guy didn't drop it or comply, then it's probably a justified shoot.

[Eric P]

Acting like a fake gun is real falls into the "felony menacing" category. If the cops believed it to be a real gun and this guy didn't drop it or comply, then it's probably a justified shoot.

Maybe one shot in the knee by one officer. No need to shoot to kill unless the gun is pointed at an officer or other person.

[speedysst]

Oh brother, here we go again.

Maybe one shot in the knee by one officer. No need to shoot to kill unless the gun is pointed at an officer or other person.

[Bailey Guns]

Maybe one shot in the knee by one officer. No need to shoot to kill unless the gun is pointed at an officer or other person.

I really hope you forgot your sarcasm smiley.

[hurley842002]

I really hope you forgot your sarcasm smiley.

X2

[Irving]

Maybe one shot in the knee by one officer. No need to shoot to kill unless the gun is pointed at an officer or other person.

If that happened, then people would only loot one check cashing store or appliance rental place and then stop.