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i grew up in orlando hating shoot straight back when there was only one in Apopka.
have you tried just putting your reloads in factory boxes?
My local range is ok with my "lead" even though it's hard cast lead, they still check them and are looking for steel core. I get this, some people will shoot stuff that destroys their equipment.Originally Posted by rondog
Today though, they were getting complaints, the guy in the lane next to me packed up and left shortly after I started. Too much SMOKE! I guess he couldn't see those Bright Shoot and See targets 20 feet out. Range officers checked on my son and I once, just to see what I was shooting. Light reloads, hard cast, nothing different than I always shoot there.
When we checked out, I inquired about the smoking being an issue?. Yes, a couple people were questioning it, but the range didn't have a big issue I guess, just that my gun was spewing lead from the barrel each shot - they could see it! and am I'm going to die or something. They did mention how hard it is on their filtration system. Thinking to myself, Um, yep, that's why you have a filtration system isn't it, kinda hard to filter the air if it was perfectly clean? My 200 rounds were a drop in the bucket with all the ranges daily shooting and being filtered.
Winchester 231 has always been dirty/smokey, just like other brands Unique and such. Not easy to find a cleaner powder for the lead/hardcast that won't melt things.
I can shoot and reload a few hundred rounds for the price of a box or two at todays prices. $$
Guess I'll just take the plated/jacketed stuff next time to keep everyone happy. Or buy the ranges "Reloads" or "Remanufactured" ammo.
My reload rant.
Sometimes people trip and fall down stairs.
Sometimes assholes push people down stairs.
That doesn't mean "stairs are bad" nor does it make someone who pushes someone down the stairs any less of an asshole.
They do understand the smoke is bullet lube burning off, not lead vaporizing... right?
Sounds like you all still have a lot more freedom in that regard than here in Florida.
No gun range here allows to shoot from holster for CCW practice and even worse, the only two I know that allow relaods ( but not rifles, shotguns or carbines or magnum loads ) do not allow HUMAN SILHOUETTE.
One allows shotguns and rifles but no human silhouette targets.
Because really, my greatest concern as a woman is to be raped by an antelope.
This is my problem in choosing a membership.
I will probably have to get two memberships at two different ranges to be able to shoot reloads and rifle and shotgun as well as pistol but never draw from holster or practice on a human silhouette.
So you begin to see my predicament..
Last edited by HighCaliber; 08-15-2014 at 22:44.
Absolutely!
I did that all last year. They moved location and I heard from fellow shooters they were now opening cuatomer's boxes and inspecting them.
That is why I did not renew my membership.
The current owner of Shoostraight also owns Magtech.
I believe the real reason not to allow any reloads not even commercially remanufactured ammo ( Georgia Arms' for example ) is because that puts Magtech as the cheapest available factory ammo as our number one choice.
He bumps his own company to the top of the cheap ammo line by banning the competition from his range.
Which he is free to do so and so am I free to no longer support his business and actively speak against it.
Maybe their filtration system is not quite up to date? So instead of telling you they are breaking the rules and regulations they manipulate you by fear "Its bad for you".
Shootstraight literally has a ruptured barrel with a big note saying this is why they don't allow reloads...to which I wanted to say: "Wouldn't it make more sense to ban guns with unsupported chambers?"
Another reason they claim is fear of a lawsuit.
How many shooters have in fact sued a range over blowing their own fingers off with their reloads whilst breaking the gun range rules which explicitly says the range is not responsible?
The unsupported chambers (glocks, specifically) stuff is some what tired. Not that you mentioned Glock in your post. Does it happen, occasionally. Do reloads cause issues, occasionally. On lawsuits, how many times has a lawsuit never made it past the 1st - 2nd meet between attorneys? I don't know either. Probably as part of settlement, not able to release said info.
BTW: When you read some of the gun forums about ANOTHER GLOCK KABOOM, Somewhere down the long replies. The OP usually chimes in, mentioning they were shooting lead, BUT thought the bbl was clean.
As for reloads, It's their range, their rules. I do agree, a good portion of that is tied in to their selling ammo. One more reason we avoid indoor ranges.
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Are there local shooting ranges that host pistol competitions? If so, just shoot at those.
"There are no finger prints under water."
Sounds like a business opportunity. Maybe it's time to get a small business loan and open up shop, you could focus on what the competition will not allow.
I raised the point of unsurpoted chambers not as a weapon ( pun intended ) for reloads to be allowed but to illustrate my innitial point that business treat the American public as stupid and gullible.
Your point about the filtration system is another example: do we question the business with common sense rebutals to their "this is dangerous for you so we dont allow" false or incomplete reasons or do we just let them play that game.
Of course, at the end of the day it is their range, their business, their rules. I just don't appreciate being told lies as if I were stupid to cover up for what their real motivation is.
Here is another good reason for a big chain range to only allow factory rounds:
They can sell the brass as once fired.
So my point is why bulshit me by saying reloads are dangerous for me when actually the chamber of my gun is the number one safety feature, my skill level as a shooter in knowing what to do with a squib load, hang fire/misfire, primer failures another.
Making people believ reloads are dangerous is akin to the cultures that say guns are only to be handled by the police and military. You are not capable. Trust not yourself. Trust only the factories or "federally licensed manufactured".
This is from a new company that does reloads commercially as a registered business:
"REMANUFACTURED AMMUNITION:
Commercially Remanufactured Ammunition is ammunition that is produced using specialized automated commercial equipment by a federally licensed and insured manufacturer. All remanufactured ammunition is produced under stringent quality control processes that ensure that all of the SAAMI (Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufactures Institute) specifications are complied with. Additionally, the once fired brass case used in remanufactured ammunition are preprocessed on specialized case processing equipment that transforms the case to “like new brass” condition. This case preprocessing is one of the big differences between reloaded ammunition and remanufactured ammunition. The following is a description of the steps taken to produce remanufactured ammunition and the quality benefits that are gained via this process."
Whic seems harmless. The problem starts when the business get together to wash each others hands and ensure they have monopoly of this market and a whole culture and tradition of a nation that used to be capable and self sufficient starts to die off because they allowed themslves to be told they were better off becoming dependent in the Government to tell them what is "safe" for them. Safe now becomes synomym with "federally licensed/approved".
On the lawsuit I was just wondering if any of you have heard of it because I have not and was just curious.
I have observed that people who shoot and reload tend to take responsabilty for their actions instead of passing the buck and wanting to make money out of their onw failures which is a trend of people who tend not to be self-reliant.
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