Another win for Socialism!

[RRD3]

Ummm.... when you take over a private company with tax payer money. Or print up money that does not exist to gain 72 1/2 percent of the company. That is SOCIALIST!

They will start taking over the banks and now there are talks of bailing out news papers. When the government owns private companies, banks and the media what in the fuck do you call it? No vision? Power hungry? No... fucking Socialism with a very close tie to Communism. When you control all the money as well as control the voice of the media that's a communist state.

[GunTroll]

HAHA! I was just thinking that I was getting on him so I came back into change my post but after reading yours I'll just leave it. You got me re-fired up. FUCK Socialism or the watered down intro version of it we are in now!

[Pancho Villa]

Socialists have specific ideology, intellectual arguments, etc.

Obama (and the democratic party) are explicitly anti-ideology. They struggle mightily to never identify what their specific, concrete acts are working towards. This has been the pattern for years and Obama is not very much different in that regard. (Conservatives do the same thing, but we're talking Obama here.)

Do not mistake their anti-ideology for a clever masking of an explicit socialist conspiracy. That gives them a credit they have not earned.

Edited to add: By the standards of RRD3, we've been "socialist" since the late 1800s, since government has owned some entities that should have been private since then, and possibly since the founding.

"Socialist" is a specific state where the government owns all or almost all exterprises, controls the economy, etc. America is properly described at the moment as a "mixed economy" - ie somewhere between absolute freedom and absolute bondage. I am not attempting to say that this is good, but tossing around 'socialism' with such loose standards is a bad idea.

[GunTroll]

Socialists have specific ideology, intellectual arguments, etc.

Obama (and the democratic party) are explicitly anti-ideology. They struggle mightily to never identify what their specific, concrete acts are working towards. This has been the pattern for years and Obama is not very much different in that regard. (Conservatives do the same thing, but we're talking Obama here.)

Do not mistake their anti-ideology for a clever masking of an explicit socialist conspiracy. That gives them a credit they have not earned.

Edited to add: By the standards of RRD3, we've been "socialist" since the late 1800s, since government has owned some entities that should have been private since then, and possibly since the founding.

"Socialist" is a specific state where the government owns all or almost all exterprises, controls the economy, etc. America is properly described at the moment as a "mixed economy" - ie somewhere between absolute freedom and absolute bondage. I am not attempting to say that this is good, but tossing around 'socialism' with such loose standards is a bad idea.

Already talked about the subtleness of there actions. Never coming out with their motives is by design

They are earning that "credit" as you call it right now!

I have no comment about when the "socialized movement " started.

And how are they the GOV not attempting to control the economy now! You watch or read any news?

What bad idea do you speak of....? It is what it is!

[RRD3]

Just because the Dems or Obama isn't smart enough to have a plan doesn't mean that they are not moving towards a socialist government. Just because there are some entities that "should" have been part of private enterprise does not mean that what they are doing now is ok or should be taken lightly.

I understand what socialist is. Do you think they are going to come in and say "We own everything now fuckers"? No.... they take it little by little so it's made to look like something else. Like fucking bail outs.

What else do they need to take over? Medicine? Oh.... I think that's in the works. Media? in the works? Airlines? We'll see that soon as well. Again... I do not need to be slapped int he face to see what direction we are heading and the direction this "socialist? party wants to take our country.

But that's just my .02 and as time goes by I think more will start to see it the same way.

But when is it too late to see the effects of what this administration is doing? Can it be undone or will the sheeple think it's ok ?

[Mtn.man]

well the Obama ass kissers think it's great.
I think the revolution is slowly boiling.

[ChunkyMonkey]

You are mistaken Pancho. Socialism is a broad description of an ideology.

Each socialist country has its own version of socialism. Many modern socialists are democratic... hence "the democratic socialism" which what our current govt is leaning toward ("Autocratic" Socialist England is a good sample as it is more democratic.)

Per the broad socialism definition (both marxist and non marxist), one can clearly say that Obama's agenda is socialist.

Currently US is still what they call Social Democratic (center-center left) w/ signs of Social Capitalist (Japan). We are moving further left each time a bail out, take over, consolidation is announced by the fed.

Keep in mind folks, NOT once in history a socialist economy compete successfully against capitalist one. On the other hand, countries such as Russia and China who are moving toward capitalism is doing GREAT!

A good sample of "democratic" socialist economy is England after the WWII. The Govt combined major aircraft companies British Aircraft Corporation, Hawker Siddeley and others into The British Aerospace. Major shipbuilding companies including Cammell Laird, Govan Shipbuilders, Swan Hunter, and Yarrow Shipbuilders were also 'consolidated' into National name brands. The consolidations were results of "COMPULSORY PURCHASE" of the industry with minimal compensation by the central govt; Sound familiar?

Since then, what was the world #1 innovator, economy, scholar, and cultural center could not compete with American inventions, economy power, etc.

[GunTroll]

Yep!^^^^^ +1


I wonder if/and when the UAW will take some credit for the demise of GM. They should bear the full blame but thats just how I feel about unions. Bad for business. Greedy grubbers the UAW is.

[SNAFU]

Gonna Rise Up,,,you gotta watch hm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hFiab7fjak

[Mtn.man]

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