Another win for Socialism!

[cleaner72]

This is what happens when you give money to a company instead of letting them do their own thing. Either way I knew they were going to go to court.

The bailout money may have saved a few jobs... but that won't last either.

Good job NObama

unfortunately it didnt save a single job...they are forcasting over 21000 jobs lost. At minimum. So the feds are confiscating private businesses...next they will be owning the doctors and hospitals.

[GunTroll]

^I'd say that is an accurate assumption.

For my own knowledge I was googling around "socialism in America" today and read some interesting speeches given in the early fifties. The socialist of that time saw a vision of America. Their Socialized vision. Sad thing is their vision is our reality. This movement has been put into motion a long time ago. Small subtle well thought out strategic movements into our current socialistic wanna be state that we are in. If you don't think so you are blind. If you don't want to believe the powers to be are conspiring against the constitution you are dumb. It should be everyone's mission on this site to educate everyone you can just how bad this could be. I listened to a speech from some ex-commy who lives in the UK now and he was laughing at us (Americans) about the direction we are heading. Hell even Putin warns against this Marxist direction we are taking. IT didn't work so well for the Russians and that dope can see that. Are we a socialist country? No. Are we getting there? Yes. The saying of ..."Death by a thousand scratches" is so relevant. This is their tactic. It is working. Somewhere a spark is going to ignite a fire. Be ready!

I just tightened my tin foil hat chin strap. All is good on my end!

[RRD3]

unfortunately it didnt save a single job...they are forcasting over 21000 jobs lost. At minimum. So the feds are confiscating private businesses...next they will be owning the doctors and hospitals.

Yep.... it was just a delay. Again.... Go NObama!

Socialist fuck-tard yeah!

[sniper7]

this just sucks...I really don't want the .gov to own GM. we aren't going to get shit out if this whole mess.

fuck, now the GM employees may become .gov employees instead of private employees and get paid with federal funds...what does that mean? MORE TAXES!!!!

[Phanatic]

[Pancho Villa]

Obama isn't a socialist.

He has no organized ideology that you could really give a name. He has "stances."

Look back in time, to the 30s. The socialists then had a long-range vision, a consistent ideology, an intellectual, conceptual justification for what they were doing, and they fought for them with intellectual arguments. They were horribly wrong, but less evil than Obama, who has no vision, no ideology, no clue - just a lust for power.

Coincidentally, this is why conservatism was a non-ideology that was stillborn. It has never really had a consistent vision for America based on a principled stance on the role of government in an individual's life. Their stance has been "like it was before!" but that defaults on the very important intellectual justifications of what was better before and why it was better before. What arguments conservative "intellectuals" have typically given are laughably shallow, as well. If you take note of history, as well, the "conservative" movement has been gradually moving further and further into the "more government power" camp as well.

Obama is what is left of the socialist movements from the turn of the last century - a non-ideological power-grubber, far more like a fascist than a socialist. That conservatism cannot defeat that is testimony to just how powerless the movement is.

[GunTroll]

Obama isn't a socialist.

He has no organized ideology that you could really give a name. He has "stances."

Look back in time, to the 30s. The socialists then had a long-range vision, a consistent ideology, an intellectual, conceptual justification for what they were doing, and they fought for them with intellectual arguments. They were horribly wrong, but less evil than Obama, who has no vision, no ideology, no clue - just a lust for power.

Coincidentally, this is why conservatism was a non-ideology that was stillborn. It has never really had a consistent vision for America based on a principled stance on the role of government in an individual's life. Their stance has been "like it was before!" but that defaults on the very important intellectual justifications of what was better before and why it was better before. What arguments conservative "intellectuals" have typically given are laughably shallow, as well. If you take note of history, as well, the "conservative" movement has been gradually moving further and further into the "more government power" camp as well.

Obama is what is left of the socialist movements from the turn of the last century - a non-ideological power-grubber, far more like a fascist than a socialist. That conservatism cannot defeat that is testimony to just how powerless the movement is.

Tomato ,tomato. Looks like he has you fooled. Maybe not a stereo typical socialist but that is the idea. If he or they(socialist) came out swinging and proclaiming "we are now changing or government structure to a more socialist one" then they would get served. But if they beat around the bush and do there calculated moves as they are doing now then they are gaining momentum toward the socialist goal. Expand health care,unemployment compensation,taxation,government meddling into private business,market manipulation through "bail-outs", more government programs,etc........Does this not seem Socialized at least a bit to you???? Far from just a non-ideological power-grubber my friend. He has fooled the masses here in America. Or maybe we are just so screwed the masses knew and didn't care.

[RRD3]

Ummm.... when you take over a private company with tax payer money. Or print up money that does not exist to gain 72 1/2 percent of the company. That is SOCIALIST!

They will start taking over the banks and now there are talks of bailing out news papers. When the government owns private companies, banks and the media what in the fuck do you call it? No vision? Power hungry? No... fucking Socialism with a very close tie to Communism. When you control all the money as well as control the voice of the media that's a communist state.

[Pancho Villa]

Socialists have specific ideology, intellectual arguments, etc.

Obama (and the democratic party) are explicitly anti-ideology. They struggle mightily to never identify what their specific, concrete acts are working towards. This has been the pattern for years and Obama is not very much different in that regard. (Conservatives do the same thing, but we're talking Obama here.)

Do not mistake their anti-ideology for a clever masking of an explicit socialist conspiracy. That gives them a credit they have not earned.

Edited to add: By the standards of RRD3, we've been "socialist" since the late 1800s, since government has owned some entities that should have been private since then, and possibly since the founding.

"Socialist" is a specific state where the government owns all or almost all exterprises, controls the economy, etc. America is properly described at the moment as a "mixed economy" - ie somewhere between absolute freedom and absolute bondage. I am not attempting to say that this is good, but tossing around 'socialism' with such loose standards is a bad idea.

[SNAFU]

Gonna Rise Up,,,you gotta watch hm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hFiab7fjak