Why is Treason Categorically Bad?

[Pancho Villa]

Please take this discussion as a purely intellectual exercise. This is not meant to (nor should it be taken to) incite anyone to illegal acts, which are both wrong and futile in the context of this topic. You do not stop a juggernaught by throwing yourself in front of it.

On another topic the topic of treason came up. Is treason categorically wrong?

First, a definition:

Treason

the offense of acting to overthrow one's government or to harm or kill its sovereign.

This is the particular definition that I ask be used when referring to "treason" in this thread.

[RRD3]

Is it treason to remove a dangerous government?

It's only considered a treasonous even to the government who does not want to be over thrown. If it is the will of the "people" and not the will of the government then is it treason?

To me... no.

[SNAFU]

Treason? or a Revolutionary?
These two words can have the same meaning,,depending on where you stand.

A treasonous act is spying for a foreign country,,selling information that can be used against your own government.

A Revolutionary,,has determined his country has no intention of change for the better,and takes measures to make the changes.


There have been some traitors,that have become heroes too.
The Founding Fathers of a country called America.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcVop...eature=related


By the way Pancho Villa,,,bad choice of names,,

http://www.mexconnect.com/articles/1...o-pancho-villa

only later did he see a profit in fighting,,if not just to start a clean slate.

[AK545Man]

Man if I hear one more thing about the founding fathers I'm gonna jump off the bridge. I swear.

[Irving]

Man if I hear one more thing about the founding fathers I'm gonna jump off the bridge. I swear.

Do you think the Founding Fathers threatened to jump off a bridge when times got tough?

[AK545Man]

No. I just think they were horrible fucking people man.

[Hoser]

No. I just think they were horrible fucking people man.

More posts like this and you will find yourself gone.

[Irving]

More posts like this and you will find yourself gone.

What the fuck?

1) His post was dripping with sarcasm.

2) He has a right to his opinion, just like everyone else. I realize that free speech doesn't apply to privately owned sites and all, but there is no better way to vet out people's opinions on stuff like this then to have someone playing the devils advocate; instead of a bunch of people having a circle jerk all the time about how much they agree with each other.

[Circuits]

Treason is attempting to overthrow a system of government and failing.

Successful overthrow is properly termed "revolution".

[AK545Man]

You tell me if people who are supposed to be great destroy a race damn near and then get rich off of free labor. Those are the roots. The fruit is gonna be tainted. Now that doesn't mean that America is all bad. Those times are gone and in the past. But you'll have to pardon me if I don't agree when people get all gooey-eyed over these men because of the lofty ideas that they put on paper that were never intended for anyone else.

It seems we have a trend on here of threads getting hi-jacked and going off topic. This time it's my fault.

My bad. Please continue.