Why is Treason Categorically Bad?

[AK545Man]

Thanks Sturtle.


And Circuits I agree with those definitions. I guess the next logical question would be when do you believe you have achieved victory?

After the regime has fallen or after it's replacement has been installed?

[Irving]

I really thought you were being sarcastic, but I guess not. You sound like a butt hurt Native. Not many other invading forces even give the natives a chance to assimilate. Ask the Azteks.

[AK545Man]

Lol do I?

That's cool. So I guess since they gave them a chance to give up what they know and become something else, it's semi-okay?

[Irving]

Well, I can't really get into the argument of whether it is okay. I tend to not think about it though, because it's already done and it can't be changed now. I can't think of any race of people, at any time that haven't committed some wrong or another. I guess I liken it to not buying a BMW because the holocaust occurred. If you live too much in the past, you can never move forward, which is the more important consideration in my opinion.

[AK545Man]

Well, I can't really get into the argument of whether it is okay. I tend to not think about it though, because it's already done and it can't be changed now. I can't think of any race of people, at any time that haven't committed some wrong or another. I guess I liken it to not buying a BMW because the holocaust occurred. If you live too much in the past, you can never move forward, which is the more important consideration in my opinion.

I couldn't agree more. But basically I'm just tired of the glorifying of those men when they were anything but glorious in my opinion. I'm not sitting here and telling you I can't find a job because of the founding fathers or anything man. lol

What do you think about our current system vs. what we would have if we would've stayed under the king?

[SNAFU]

Never has an invading army/government NOT made the "natives" bend to their will.
Be it Mayan,Aztec ,Apache,Iroquois ,Sumerian,Roman,British,French,China,Japan,German, Spanish,Moor,,ect ect ect

All forms of Government are oppressive to somebody.
What was set forth in America in 1776 was the best there was then,
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[AK545Man]

Never has an invading army/government NOT made the "natives" bend to their will.
Be it Mayan,Aztec ,Apache,Iriquois,Sumerian,Roman,British,French,Spa inish,Moor,,ect ect ect

That is true. However, we're not talking about merely bending to someone's will.

[Irving]

I don't think about a vs situation like that, because I feel like a discussion about a "could have been" history is fruitless. I don't think that people are glorifying them in every sense of their personalities or accomplishments, but only in reference to their document. Until we find a better one out there, they will always be remembered for that, and that is totally okay. You can't take away the good that they did, just because it wasn't all good.

[Irving]

Usually, invading armies just kill everyone. Back in those days anyway.

[AK545Man]

Well anyway, let's agree to disagree and get back on topic.