bombing syria

[HoneyBadger]

This is the one point of contention I have with Sen. Rand Paul... He's an isolationist who thinks that the 1930's mentality will work in 2014. Sorry, but that's just not the case. To everyone who thinks this is going to provoke ISIS to actually attack us, where have you been the last few weeks? You must have missed the ISIS video where they said they want to hoist their flag at the White House. They are a clear and present danger to the US, they are suspected to have agents within our own country currently, and you think that bombing their command and control in Syria is us poking them. Wake the fuck up! Bush predicted that if we pull out of Iraq too early (which we did, thanks Obama!) this exact thing would happen. Not only that, but they're trying to spread. Know the difference between ISIS and ISIL? The L in ISIL stands for the Levant. That's a historical area that includes Syria, Jordan, Palestine, Israel and Egypt. These guys aren't content with just a little territory, they want the whole world. One big Islamic Caliphate. Convert or die. They're motivated, they're trained, they're prepared, and they're getting $6M a week! So they certainly have the funding, motive and potentially means to strike us. It doesn't help that we have border security issues. Like it or not, we're at war with these people. Sitting back and letting them grow and build is simply not an option. Of course, I don't think Obama is doing enough and it might be too little too late to just stick with bombing. I feel that we shouldn't have pulled out of Iraq when we did, and I would be willing to bet that we'll have troops back in there before the end of this decade.

I don't want to take this off topic, but Rand is not an isolationist. I guess you could look at it another way too: Would you rather deal with an economic collapse because we are fighting them now, or would you prefer to keep our TRILLIONS of dollars out of it and make our economy more survivable and robust? A strong economy can win any fight, but a weak one will surely lose.

The one big moral contention I have is this: Should we invest a lot of time and money fighting a civil war between a bunch of uncivilized goat-fuckers?

Relevant follow-up questions: Do we have a moral obligation to stop the genocide of Christians, Jews, gays, and other persecuted groups? Should we go "all-in" and do our best to eradicate them? (They have made it very clear that conquest is their goal and they claim to have no plans of stopping - If that is the case, then beheading a few reporters is childsplay compared to what is yet to come.) Can we justify military action? What level of military action? Does that jive with Just War theory? Can we afford to pay for and sustain military action? What will that do to our economy? What about the security of our homeland and our national interests? Is it worth it? Shouldn't we focus on a strong economy and fixing our domestic problems (political corruption, flawed economic policy, artificial racial tensions and class warfare, millions of illegal immigrants, Obamacare, etc... the list is too damn long to type out)? Are there bigger or more credible threats to our national security and the peaceful liberty of the American people (like some of the things I just listed)?

[HoneyBadger]

Her dumbf*** supporters will swallow anything.

I don't think Monica Lewinski is much of a Hillary supporter...

[davsel]

There's a reason Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution contains

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President

The purpose was to try and eliminate foreign influence from poisoning our government.

We now have a massive infiltration of Muslim Brotherhood into our Executive, Judicial, and Legislative branches. Their goals are not America's goals.
It will not ever work itself out - we cannot elect them out - it is too late - America will never be the same.

We need to wake up and prepare. The worst is yet to come.


There once was a time when American immigrants were expected to learn the language and adopt the customs in order to become productive citizens. They did, and America remained "United."
Not any more. The Congressional Hispanic Caucus just released a "resolution" which includes:

Whereas, the Congressional Hispanic Caucus supports the immediate forbearance of deportations of those who the Administration has already said are not priorities and those who could potentially qualify from executive action;
Whereas, the Congressional Hispanic Caucus will continue to support Latino empowerment by encouraging the community to vote for those who represent their interest;

Since the "Celebrate Diversity" BS arrived through a socialist agenda across the western world, states have become Balkanized. America will never be the same.

Now we have a devout Muslim in the White House, another that heads the Justice Department, and several in Congress, not to mention all the unelected Muslim "officials" and lobbyists in and around DC.
It should not surprise anyone that out current government is not necessarily interested in wiping out the Islamic threat. The worst is yet to come.

[KestrelBike]

There's a reason Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution contains

The purpose was to try and eliminate foreign influence from poisoning our government.

We now have a massive infiltration of Muslim Brotherhood into our Executive, Judicial, and Legislative branches. Their goals are not America's goals.
It will not ever work itself out - we cannot elect them out - it is too late - America will never be the same.

We need to wake up and prepare. The worst is yet to come.


There once was a time when American immigrants were expected to learn the language and adopt the customs in order to become productive citizens. They did, and America remained "United."
Not any more. The Congressional Hispanic Caucus just released a "resolution" which includes:

Since the "Celebrate Diversity" BS arrived through a socialist agenda across the western world, states have become Balkanized. America will never be the same.

Now we have a devout Muslim in the White House, another that heads the Justice Department, and several in Congress, not to mention all the unelected Muslim "officials" and lobbyists in and around DC.
It should not surprise anyone that out current government is not necessarily interested in wiping out the Islamic threat. The worst is yet to come.

The hispanic stuff I don't doubt. That caucus is loco. But obummer being this secret jihadist, I just don't buy. I don't think he's a practicing christian (that's all political optics), but I'd assume he's agnostic, or just believes he's god himself. It would be FUNNY if tin foil jihad is correct, but I don't think it is.

[davsel]

It's an illegal operation.
From:http://theconservativetreehouse.com/...inst-al-qaeda/

Unlike Libya in 2011, the U.N. did not have a resolution permitting President Obama to launch offensive military attacks inside a foreign and sovereign nation, Syria. Without a U.N. resolution there was no international law permitting President Obama to attack ISIS inside Syria.

Without a legal basis in international law, President Obama needs to use U.S. law for his Syria ISIS campaign.

So unlike Libya in 2011, and absent of international law to support the legality, for his 2014 Syria attacks to be legal President Obama needed to use US law; specifically, the War Powers Act.

President Obama is using two constructs. #1) The War Powers Act -and- #2) AUMF The 9-11-01 Authorization for the Use of Military Force.

But there’s a catch or two.

First, because President Obama is going to use the War Powers Act, and is not acting to defend the U.S. homeland, and is engaging in offensive military actions, he has to notify congress in writing immediately – and then update in writing within 30 days. It’s how the law works. But note what’s missing.

AUMF letter



There is no mention of ISIS, because legally there can’t be. In order for Obama to use the 2001 AUMF he has to be attacking “al-Qaeda”, specifically “al-Qaeda”.

The AUMF only applies to al-Qaeda, not ISIS or any other group or state

However, in May 2013, this took place:
http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/24/opinio...war/index.html

However, there are now some in Congress who would like to expand the scope of the Authorization for the Use of Military Force beyond its present parameters to include military operations against terrorist groups that were not involved in the 9/11 attacks, which could prolong America's wars indefinitely and add additional terrorist groups to the United States' list of enemies it is at war with.

U.S. Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tennessee, ranking member of the influential Senate Foreign Relations Committee, for instance, last month called for an expansion of the scope of the authorization.

Obama made it quite clear in his Thursday speech that he would oppose such an expansion, saying he hopes instead to "ultimately repeal the AUMF's mandate. And I will not sign laws designed to expand this mandate further."

It's all just theater.

[davsel]

The hispanic stuff I don't doubt. That caucus is loco. But obummer being this secret jihadist, I just don't buy. I don't think he's a practicing christian (that's all political optics), but I'd assume he's agnostic, or just believes he's god himself. It would be FUNNY if tin foil jihad is correct, but I don't think it is.

I beg to differ.

Now, newly published photographs of Obama from the 1980s show that the ring Obama wore on his wedding-ring finger as an unmarried student is the same ring Michelle Robinson put on his finger at the couple’s wedding ceremony in 1992.

Moreover, according to Arabic-language and Islamic experts, the ring Obama has been wearing for more than 30 years is adorned with the first part of the Islamic declaration of faith, the Shahada: “There is no god except Allah.”

The Shahada is the first of the Five Pillars of Islam, expressing the two fundamental beliefs that make a person a Muslim: There is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is Allah’s prophet.

Sincere recitation of the Shahada is the sole requirement for becoming a Muslim, as it expresses a person’s rejection of all other gods.

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/obamas-ri...zYp0I15YSR3.99