Beauprex part II. Just couldn't let it be

[Irving]

Now if THAT'S not a far left type argument, nothing is. So, what you're advocating as the left almost always does, is that personal responsibility is a non-issue. People choose irresponsible lifestyles and make irresponsible choices so those of us who make responsible decisions and responsible lifestyle choices need to pay for it. That's just awesome....

Furthermore, it seems that most people (or maybe it's just me) don't necessarily want to outlaw abortion. Here's what I want it terms of the abortion issue:

• First and foremost I want the left to stop lying about what abortion is and what it isn't. Abortion is not "women's health care". Abortion is killing a living human entity. It's living and it isn't anything other than human even though it isn't developed. A fetus will ALWAYS develop into a human being.
• I want the left to stop calling it "pro-choice". Because we all know (all of us but Ridge, apparently) according to the left the only valid choice is abortion. If you choose to vocalize your "choice" against abortion you somehow hate women.
• I want the left to stop forcing me, or at least attempting to force me, to pay for abortions through taxes or other entitlement programs.
• I want the left to stop demonizing me and others because we believe abortion, under many circumstances, is morally wrong and to stop pretending that because someone is against abortion then naturally they hate women and want to "take away a woman's right to health care".

Basically, I want the left to stop being a bunch of morally bankrupt liars. Good luck with that, right?

Agreed.

[Great-Kazoo]

Interesting the Pro-Choice party is against the death penalty. Oh ,you know that's different. The death penalty is the taking of a human life..............................OK...You lost me when you started talking.

[HoneyBadger]

Basically, I want the left to stop being a bunch of morally bankrupt liars.

Oh, you're serious?

[roberth]

Now if THAT'S not a far left type argument, nothing is. So, what you're advocating as the left almost always does, is that personal responsibility is a non-issue. People choose irresponsible lifestyles and make irresponsible choices so those of us who make responsible decisions and responsible lifestyle choices need to pay for it. That's just awesome....

Furthermore, it seems that most people (or maybe it's just me) don't necessarily want to outlaw abortion. Here's what I want it terms of the abortion issue:

• First and foremost I want the left to stop lying about what abortion is and what it isn't. Abortion is not "women's health care". Abortion is killing a living human entity. It's living and it isn't anything other than human even though it isn't developed. A fetus will ALWAYS develop into a human being.
• I want the left to stop calling it "pro-choice". Because we all know (all of us but Ridge, apparently) according to the left the only valid choice is abortion. If you choose to vocalize your "choice" against abortion you somehow hate women.
• I want the left to stop forcing me, or at least attempting to force me, to pay for abortions through taxes or other entitlement programs.
• I want the left to stop demonizing me and others because we believe abortion, under many circumstances, is morally wrong and to stop pretending that because someone is against abortion then naturally they hate women and want to "take away a woman's right to health care".

Basically, I want the left to stop being a bunch of morally bankrupt liars. Good luck with that, right?

Great post!

[MED]

Furthermore, it seems that most people (or maybe it's just me) don't necessarily want to outlaw abortion. Here's what I want it terms of the abortion issue:

• First and foremost I want the left to stop lying about what abortion is and what it isn't. Abortion is not "women's health care". Abortion is killing a living human entity. It's living and it isn't anything other than human even though it isn't developed. A fetus will ALWAYS develop into a human being.
• I want the left to stop calling it "pro-choice". Because we all know (all of us but Ridge, apparently) according to the left the only valid choice is abortion. If you choose to vocalize your "choice" against abortion you somehow hate women.
• I want the left to stop forcing me, or at least attempting to force me, to pay for abortions through taxes or other entitlement programs.
• I want the left to stop demonizing me and others because we believe abortion, under many circumstances, is morally wrong and to stop pretending that because someone is against abortion then naturally they hate women and want to "take away a woman's right to health care".

I completely agree. The funding issue is probably my biggest frustration with the whole issue closely followed by all the misinformation and the ignorance of those who just accept it.

The core of my political beliefs is self determination that our rights of life and liberty are subject to our own choices EXCEPT when they adversely impact the life and liberty of others. The original intent of our constitution was to protect us from those exceptions. To honor the life and liberty of the unborn child isn’t some horrific plot to undermine the rights of women. When I look at this issue strictly from a rights perspective, I can’t get past the rights of the child as a consideration. The notion of responsibility for the choices made is so foreign today. To even bring this up for debate is blasphemy hence the regurgitation of talking points and misinformation to the tune of no regulation, no public service information, no counseling, no parental notification, no debate on funding; it is entitled health care...end of conversation!

It would sure be nice If it wasn’t publicaly funded and coined as common health care issues.

[Rumline]

I want the left to stop forcing me, or at least attempting to force me, to pay for abortions through taxes or other entitlement programs.

I really chafe at the whole entitlement aspect of it as well. Why people should expect free abortions or free contraceptives is beyond me. On the other hand, if the parents really don't want the kid and aren't going to put effort into raising it properly, the cost of an abortion seems like a bargain compared to years of incarceration / welfare / foster care etc that we'll all be footing the bill for. I'm not addressing the moral issue, just the financial.

[Dave_L]

An issue I have with abortion is it's always presented as a woman issue. I understand that aspect since it's in the woman's body but it takes two to make that baby. If it was consensual, then the choice to abort the baby should be agreed on by both parties. If a female aborts a baby without the father's agreement, how is that not murder?

Maybe this is/has been addressed with the laws. I don't know. It just seems that women are the only ones allowed to voice an opinion on this. Maybe women should just have an extra abortion tax since it's a woman only issue to fund it. I wonder how well that idea would go over.

[Irving]

Maybe women should just have an extra abortion tax since it's a woman only issue to fund it. I wonder how well that idea would go over.

I like it!

What happens when you follow a doctor's advice and it turns out the doctor was wrong and killed your baby for no reason? Sounds a lot like detrimental reliance to me.

[cstone]

Come on now. We all know that abortion was legalized to eliminate the horrors of back-alley abortions.

Thank goodness for the legal and apparently some illegal abortions that were available at Dr. Gosnell's Women's Medical Society clinic in Philadelphia. Thank goodness for the support of all the Pro Choice supporters who defended Dr. Gosnell's ability to provide his services to the many women who sought abortions.

Life is full of choices. Choose wisely or learn the hard way through foolish choices.

Seems as if everyone who supports abortions does so after their own mother chose life. Ironic?

Women's Rights begins with the right of a female fetus to be born.


But I digress. Hickenlooper or Beauprez... Pick a single issue or choose several issues, and the balance against choosing Hickenlooper, at least for me, makes it an easy choice. At least when it comes to the governor of Colorado, I'm Hoping for Change

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Was gonna pick up some ammo in the AM but figured I need to do my part with the funds.