What if all the illegals left?

[buffalobo]

Appears she did write the article in 2007. I knew it was familiar and surprised it is related to Tina Griego. Something still seems fishy but I don't have time to research further and my own dislike of Griego may be influencing me.

http://www.examiner.com/article/what...acated-america

[ZERO THEORY]

The crime, tax, traffic, welfare, and population stuff is interesting (and infuriating). However, the jobs claims are speculation at best. Consider that most illegals are doing jobs that Americans won't do, hence they get paid nothing to do them. Secondly, you've got to be realistic about how American companies work. If all of the sudden, the labor cost for any given project rose by even 5% from having to now meet minimum wage or more, a good portion of those companies would pack up and set up their operation in another country. Mexico being a likely choice, ironically enough. Consider the economic impact of that.

And things like point #11 in the end cap cheapen the validity of the article. "...from other terrorist countries. Over 10,000 of those were middle-eastern terrorists." This is one of those obnoxious absolutist statements that make you question the sources of the author. Don't let confirmation bias blind you to questionable journalism.

[sniper7]

The crime, tax, traffic, welfare, and population stuff is interesting (and infuriating). However, the jobs claims are speculation at best. Consider that most illegals are doing jobs that Americans won't do, hence they get paid nothing to do them. Secondly, you've got to be realistic about how American companies work. If all of the sudden, the labor cost for any given project rose by even 5% from having to now meet minimum wage or more, a good portion of those companies would pack up and set up their operation in another country. Mexico being a likely choice, ironically enough. Consider the economic impact of that.

And things like point #11 in the end cap cheapen the validity of the article. "...from other terrorist countries. Over 10,000 of those were middle-eastern terrorists." This is one of those obnoxious absolutist statements that make you question the sources of the author. Don't let confirmation bias blind you to questionable journalism.

Companies packing up, oh you mean like the autos that already do a lot of Mexico stuff, can-am, black and decker, calaway golf, caterpillar, flambeau hunting decoys, lots of kids toys etc etc.

they are going for cheaper labor already. Obviously we are too expensive with illegals as it is....or the laws we have are terrible and not set up for businesses to thrive.

[Ronin13]

The crime, tax, traffic, welfare, and population stuff is interesting (and infuriating). However, the jobs claims are speculation at best. Consider that most illegals are doing jobs that Americans won't do, hence they get paid nothing to do them. Secondly, you've got to be realistic about how American companies work. If all of the sudden, the labor cost for any given project rose by even 5% from having to now meet minimum wage or more, a good portion of those companies would pack up and set up their operation in another country. Mexico being a likely choice, ironically enough. Consider the economic impact of that.

And things like point #11 in the end cap cheapen the validity of the article. "...from other terrorist countries. Over 10,000 of those were middle-eastern terrorists." This is one of those obnoxious absolutist statements that make you question the sources of the author. Don't let confirmation bias blind you to questionable journalism.

That is the biggest fallacious argument when it comes to the debate on illegal immigration. "They do the jobs we Americans won't do." Bovine feces, my friend. If there were no cheap (albeit illegal) labor, the system would shift to accommodate. Last time I checked, this illegal immigration is a more recent (meaning last 30 years or so) phenomenon. We survived post WWII without resorting to all the "crappy" jobs needing to be done by illegals. Perhaps it would help improve our work ethic across the board in this country. With no immoral and really cheap labor, there would be work that needed to get done, and people couldn't sit back and say "oh we'll just get some Honduran immigrant to do that!"

[ZERO THEORY]

they are going for cheaper labor already. Obviously we are too expensive with illegals as it is....or the laws we have are terrible and not set up for businesses to thrive.

This is an interesting point. Considering that there were good-paying jobs for hard-working Americans with little in the way of education clear into the 70s, I'd like to see some more data on what happened. It seems like things took a very severe turn following the oil crunch of Carter's years, and the illegal influx wasn't far behind it. So fair play, this would be an interesting talking point for another thread.

We survived post WWII without resorting to all the "crappy" jobs needing to be done by illegals.

The post WWII economic recovery was a substantially different macroeconomic environment than today's. Come on now.

That is the heart of the liberal talking points.
NO illegals do the jobs that employers wont pay a legal American to do. Why pay an American a fair wage? They can pay an illegal less. .

If you have faith in companies that will pay an illegal less to suddenly do the right thing and hire a strong American work force once they left, I've got a bridge I'd like to sell you.

[Bailey Guns]

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_15247891

Those of you who are skeptical the article was written by the ultra-liberal Tina Griego are correct.

[sniper7]

I would be happy, I know that much.

Schools would be better off and have more funding so that our kids would get better attention at school.

i would have a lot less to worry about with drivers that don't have insurance.

I'll grow my own damn vegetables if I need to. There is a lot of local stuff, but there is also plenty that comes from out of country so food prices would not skyrocket like you imagine.

[Aloha_Shooter]

I have to agree with Mr. Fred here. The legal immigration path is broken when it takes people 7-20 years to get in despite having well-paying jobs, knowing basic civics, etc.

In my ideal setup, we would lift the legal immigration quotas but strictly enforce the rules about criminal background/conduct, contagious diseases (especially STDs and foreign viruses), and have a monitored guest worker program that would give outsiders a way to legally come in, work under US laws and rules, but not qualify for citizenship. It would probably need a Constitutional amendment to prevent the creation of anchor babies by people coming in under the guest worker program but I'm not really that hard up on the "anchor baby" issue. Bruce Lee got back in the US because he was born at an American hospital while his parents were touring here.

What we have now is so broken it would be hard to design it to fail harder than it does today.

[davsel]

I'd be happy to just see actual enforcement of the laws that are already in place.

Stop providing welfare to them. Without education, housing, and medical, they will have to leave. Sure, patch them up at the ER, but as soon as they are able to travel, toss them back over the fence. And send the bill to Mexico or Canada - wherever they came across in the first place.
Start prosecuting every business and individual that hires illegals. Without any income, they will have to leave.
Start rounding them up and pitching them over the fence into Nuevo Laredo. You will soon see the rest of them fleeing back across a safer section of the border.

Anchor babies are bogus. Just because your mother swam over in time to drop you on our shore, does not entitle you and your extended family the "right" to be automatic "citizens."

"Living wage" and "Jobs Americans won't do," is also bogus. Low paying jobs were never meant to be careers - they are entry level. Cut off the welfare and I guarantee there will be plenty of Americans willing to do those jobs.



Of course, these are just dreams. It is only going to get much worse. America as we knew it is gone forever.
Time to prepare for what comes next.

[BushMasterBoy]

South A Merry Cuns?