Plate sizing question?

[Wulf202]

The spall is reduced by line x not stopped. You would need to run soft armor in front to catch the spall.

[275RLTW]

The spall is reduced by line x not stopped. You would need to run soft armor in Behind to catch the spall.

Run soft armor or backers between you and steel plates to protect from spalling.


Figured thats what you meant, just clarifying for you.

[beast556]

There are numerous you tube videos on spalling. The ar500 plates with the build up not just the single coating are showing 99% containment.

[th3w01f]

AMI will only sell to government entities, law enforcement, military (inc. AD/Reserve/NG/Ret), first responders, and other qualified personnel with proper credentials(ie. CCW permit, PI license, Armed Security Guard license, etc...). it doesnt look questionable. it says they sell to people with CCW.



there are sales all the time on Esapi plates. you have to decide if the price is worth it.

my level 4 plates were $289 a set last year from tyr tactical. someone posted the info here.

That's the way I read it too, it looks like is for CYA. Many places are now asking for you to signe and notarize a form saying your not a psycho.

[Irving]

Run soft armor or backers between you and steel plates to protect from spalling.


Figured thats what you meant, just clarifying for you.

I don't understand this placement. If the round aren't penetrating through the back, isn't the concern from shrapnel going to be in the front?

[clublights]

I don't understand this placement. If the round aren't penetrating through the back, isn't the concern from shrapnel going to be in the front?

Spalling happens on the "inside" too ...


that is why the insides of modern battle tanks are covered in kevlar... the round might not make it thru but fragments of metal bouncing around inside the tank are not good for the.. health.. of the tank crew

[Great-Kazoo]

That's the way I read it too, it looks like is for CYA. Many places are now asking for you to signe and notarize a form saying your not a psycho.

How long that document good for? Looks like more fall out from the joker / aurora shooter.

[275RLTW]

I don't understand this placement. If the round aren't penetrating through the back, isn't the concern from shrapnel going to be in the front?

Not as much as from out the back. Spalling is the Kinetic Energy (KE) from the projectile transferring to the plate and a portion(s) of the plate breaking off and continuing as a new projectile(s). The KE is transferred in the original direction unless acted upon by an outside force (Newtons 1st Law). Thus, spalling is most commonly seen with parts of the steel broken off the back of the plate where the heat and energy of the round has weakened the integrity of the steel. This is why ceramic is used as it dissipates heat better than steel and a woven ceramic/kevlar firbrous blend (ESAPIs) has better multiple impact protection than sold steel.

[Great-Kazoo]

Not as much as from out the back. Spalling is the Kinetic Energy (KE) from the projectile transferring to the plate and a portion(s) of the plate breaking off and continuing as a new projectile(s). The KE is transferred in the original direction unless acted upon by an outside force (Newtons 1st Law). Thus, spalling is most commonly seen with parts of the steel broken off the back of the plate where the heat and energy of the round has weakened the integrity of the steel. This is why ceramic is used as it dissipates heat better than steel and a woven ceramic/kevlar firbrous blend (ESAPIs) has better multiple impact protection than sold steel.

Couldn't make it any more clear then that. Thanks.

[Irving]

Not as much as from out the back. Spalling is the Kinetic Energy (KE) from the projectile transferring to the plate and a portion(s) of the plate breaking off and continuing as a new projectile(s). The KE is transferred in the original direction unless acted upon by an outside force (Newtons 1st Law). Thus, spalling is most commonly seen with parts of the steel broken off the back of the plate where the heat and energy of the round has weakened the integrity of the steel. This is why ceramic is used as it dissipates heat better than steel and a woven ceramic/kevlar firbrous blend (ESAPIs) has better multiple impact protection than sold steel.

This all makes perfect sense. I was confused because I only watched a few of the AR500 videos where .308 rounds were hardly even deforming the back side. Otherwise, I had no previous knowledge of spalling. Thanks for clearing it up.