Ferguson Protesters

[Pancho Villa]

Been following the protests from the beginning, particularly on twitter. The local (as in, live-there) leaders are almost all young black women, which I thought was interesting. Lots of out-of-town agitators too (the commies showed up, of course, because they show up wherever they can shit anything up.) Lots of anger on both sides - multiple reports from reporters and young people, also video, of police busting the mace out unprovoked. Its hard to take anything out of context here. The cops are pissed and on edge because early in they occasionally took gunfire from within the protests. The protesters are pissed because in response to any bad actions from people within the protest early in was to fire tear gas at the whole crowd. This resulted in a lot of people thinking that they were tear gassed just 'cause, since they didn't see anyone throw a bottle or rock at the line of riot cops. Maybe that's even true. Wouldn't take much for someone to make up a rock or bottle or whatever. Over on LF one of the Ferguson cops posted an AAR of the early protests/violence/looting which had some pretty questionable SOPs from the standpoint of keeping the lid on a pissed off community rather than provoking more.

Someone earlier asked if cops were disinclined to respond to calls, and there's an interesting story related to that. I'm sure everyone remembers when the stores were looted and the store owners came in and defended their property with guns, as is their right. Earlier that night I saw a bunch of tweets saying that the police were not responding to any calls that evening. This was just a day or two after the national news broke and it looked bad for the PD, and the PD in response backed off quite a bit (they brought that guy who took off the tactical vest and walked with the protesters, and things were kinda calm for the day.) Since word travels fast, as you might expect, when the cops weren't responding to calls the criminal element went pretty wild. Good on the store owners for stopping them. Again, lots of distrust and anger surrounding that as the looting was used as an excuse to crack down again.

I'm a police skeptic. I've seen a lot of story changes. First Wilson had a broken face, then he was bruised and swollen, then everyone is quiet about it and then nothing. The po-po immediately release a vid of Brown robbing a store, which the officer knew about, then didn't, then did (?), then isn't really relevant. At the very least this has been handled like a bunch of idiots. There's also lots of other stuff pissing people off - the gofundme campaign for Wilson raised $250,000 for him, when his legal bills are being paid for by the state, is viewed as an attaboy for killing a young black man (the comments in the gofundme campaign which are full of straight up racist bullshit don't help.) The fact that his name was withheld until his internet presence could be scrubbed and he could move out of state (on taxpayer dime,) or that he hasn't been arrested - which, if a bunch of eyewitnesses agree on something, even if the stories don't all match up, any non-police person would be arrested - is also aggravating.

Missouri is also a really corrupt state, and a lot of work has been done exposing that in recent weeks. Lots of really nasty democrats in the state who really don't give a shit. Hopefully the locals churn them out next time in the primaries.

[speedysst]

Here's my problem with your statement. Not only do eyewitness statements not match up, they contradict each other and the autopsy also conflicts with some statements. If you are involved in a shooting and you see the hatred and racist crap not only from a lot of people, but also the president of the United States and the attorney general, would you want your name printed in the papers? Would you want people trying to kill you in your own home? If the answer is yes, you are insane. Another thing, you seem to imply that the police encouraged looting so that they could "crack down." Yeah, I don't think so. If the cops act, they are "heavy handed" but if they don't, they are racists. Seriously, screw that. I would have quit the second the asshat chief walked with the protestors and my final words would have been "they're on their own and I hope they burn their own houses down just to spite themselves." Conduct a shooting investigation of this magnitude as brought on by the media, the White House and every race hustler that they could find and see if the story doesn't change on a daily basis. Hell, even CBS doctored the 911 call from Zimmerman so my guess is they don't know what happened so they speculate and make sure it fits the agenda.

[Pancho Villa]

They all seem to jive in that Brown was hands up trying to surrender when shot. That should be concerning to someone especially when you have people interviewed soon after the fact that had no contact with each other. There's also the video taken during the shooting of that construction worker shouting "He had his hands up!" when viewing the shooting. Seems kinda odd for that to all be coincidence.

I never said the police encouraged looting, I said they stopped responding to calls on a certain night.

[Great-Kazoo]

They all seem to jive in that Brown was hands up trying to surrender when shot. That should be concerning to someone especially when you have people interviewed soon after the fact that had no contact with each other. There's also the video taken during the shooting of that construction worker shouting "He had his hands up!" when viewing the shooting. Seems kinda odd for that to all be coincidence.

I never said the police encouraged looting, I said they stopped responding to calls on a certain night.

In 2 post you have omitted Saint Brown's cohort during the whole event, starting from the store. Seems he has changed his statement / story 2x and has since disappeared from Ferguson.

Myself, i'll wait for the grand jury's verdict. The Justice dept's 40 investigators are doing 1 of 2 things, holding back their report / findings till after the grand jury. OR like Zimmerman's In Depth Investigation to see if it was racially motivated. Because there is no truth to the Hands up Don't shoot theory.

NOW IF the cop (Wilson) did in fact shoot him without provocation. Let the LAW, not NBPP, Al Sharpton OR the Prez, decide his fate

[Pancho Villa]

In 2 post you have omitted Saint Brown's cohort during the whole event, starting from the store. Seems he has changed his statement / story 2x and has since disappeared from Ferguson.

Yes, I omitted the testimony that's probably not worth taking into consideration. Should I not do that in the future?

Myself, i'll wait for the grand jury's verdict. The Justice dept's 40 investigators are doing 1 of 2 things, holding back their report / findings till after the grand jury. OR like Zimmerman's In Depth Investigation to see if it was racially motivated. Because there is no truth to the Hands up Don't shoot theory.

NOW IF the cop (Wilson) did in fact shoot him without provocation. Let the LAW, not NBPP, Al Sharpton OR the Prez, decide his fate

Nothing happens in a vacuum. Missouri is corrupt, and the community at large has no confidence that the cop will serve time. Missour's UOF laws for police are also really, really lenient. They're calling for things like a reform of that UOF law and body cameras for police, both of which seems reasonable.

If a half dozen eyewitnesses unrelated and uncoordinated all say the same thing, there's something to look into. Brown was definitely not shot from behind, but that's certainly something onlookers can get wrong since getting shot isn't the bloodfest that the movies tell us. "Hands up, trying to surrender" seems altogether harder to misunderstand, especially under the circumstances.

I would bet you Wilson gets a pass from the GJ, simply from the regard juries tend to give to cops and the disinclination of the DA to press for a case.

[Pancho Villa]

Also, can the "Saint Brown" and further nonsense stop? The guy didn't have to have a glowing halo around his head to not deserve to be shot.

[speedysst]

Wasn't there another video where witnesses were heard saying "He kept coming at the cop" or something to that effect? Also, after 6 years working in the same city with the same type of people, why would Wilson wake up that day and decide that he was going to kill one of the residents. I have serious doubts that Wilson decided that day was the day to execute an "innocent kid." The whole "he shot him for no reason" is VERY suspect.

[Great-Kazoo]

Wasn't there another video where witnesses were heard saying "He kept coming at the cop" or something to that effect? Also, after 6 years working in the same city with the same type of people, why would Wilson wake up that day and decide that he was going to kill one of the residents. I have serious doubts that Wilson decided that day was the day to execute an "innocent kid." The whole "he shot him for no reason" is VERY suspect.

Please keep factual info out of this thread. Yes there were reports of witness who supposedly saw that.

However the media and some people will have you believe there is only an innocent child gunned down, before he could accomplish so much for society. Completely ignoring another side to the story. One which if 1/2 as credible as those for the prosecution would exonerate officer Wilson. Something the left, progressives and white guilters will try their best to not happen.

Imagine if a white person law enforcement in particular actually used deadly force to stop a threat, by a person of color. Because the threat was real.

[Pancho Villa]

Wasn't there another video where witnesses were heard saying "He kept coming at the cop" or something to that effect? Also, after 6 years working in the same city with the same type of people, why would Wilson wake up that day and decide that he was going to kill one of the residents. I have serious doubts that Wilson decided that day was the day to execute an "innocent kid." The whole "he shot him for no reason" is VERY suspect.

There was a video with someone in the background probably saying that. We don't know if that was an eyewitness or if he was relaying speculation. If that guy would come forward at least to investigators that would certainly be useful.

I don't think Wilson just up and decided to murder someone that day. There was probably something that made him mad and he was pissed. People occasionally do things they would normally not do when mad.

[Great-Kazoo]

There was a video with someone in the background probably saying that. We don't know if that was an eyewitness or if he was relaying speculation. If that guy would come forward at least to investigators that would certainly be useful.

I don't think Wilson just up and decided to murder someone that day. There was probably something that made him mad and he was pissed. People occasionally do things they would normally not do when mad.

So, you've already found him guilty.