Officers fire 600 rounds into car with hostage inside...

[th3w01f]

How the hell did the sole suspect survive 600 rounds?

I still say, everything worth saying has already been said... you just have to find it.

Jules:This was Divine Intervention! You know what "divine intervention" is?Vincent:Yeah, I think so. That means God came down from Heaven and stopped the bullets.
Jules:Yeah, man, that's what it means. That's exactly what it means! God came down from Heaven and stopped the bullets.
Vincent:I think we should be going now.
Juleson't do that! Don't you fucking do that! Don't blow this shit off! What just happened was a fucking miracle!
Vincent:Chill the fuck out, Jules, this shit happens.
Jules:Wrong! Wrong, this shit doesn't just happen.
Vincento you wanna continue this theological discussion in the car, or at the jailhouse with the cops?
Jules:We should be fuckin' dead now, my friend! We just witnessed a miracle, and I want you to fucking acknowledge it!
Vincent:Okay man, it was a miracle, can we leave now?

Separate but related scene since I couldn't find a short clip of the first.

[ben4372]

Reminds me of this..... http://rt.com/usa/lapd-dorner-shooting-review-738/ Did these guys get transfers? The only ones that win when this happens is the lawyers. And the stucco and siding guys. You though the hail messes up building.

[TFOGGER]

[Jer]

I would have ZERO problem with the 600rds fired... if there wasn't a hostage in the same vehicle. Turns out she was a mother who died. Yeah, that's a problem. A BIG problem that is being trivialized so far in this discussion. Unless there's a very important detail being left out then that's my stance and I'm not sure any of us fighting for 2A rights should have a different stance than that... regardless of if it's 33 armed citizens or 33 LEOs.

[Bailey Guns]

Unless there's a very important detail being left out then that's my stance and I'm not sure any of us fighting for 2A rights should have a different stance than that... regardless of if it's 33 armed citizens or 33 LEOs.

I'm not seeing how this is a 2A issue?

[Jer]

I'm not seeing how this is a 2A issue?

I'm not the one who brought it up. Addressing a point someone made earlier about how it helps the 2A cause.

[Ranger353]

Tragic, terrible situation. Interesting discussion.

[tim-adams]

justified but sad..
it appears that there was no sniper placing strategic shots..
This was a large group of LEO using whatever tools they had to stop this from turning into a 20 hostage stand off..
no easy answers, no take backs, no arm chair second guessing.
the officers were well withing policy for using lethal force, sad that they where not a bit more judicious, but I was not there.
I read somewhere that the last scumbag survived by using the hostage as a shield..
sad its Cali, in most of the Midwest that bastard would be guaranteed the death chamber for this.. in Cali he will have three meals and a cot for the rest of his scumbag life.

sad. I approve of the how not to be a hostage part..
first step: DO NOT LIVE IN CALIFORNIA, New York City
second step: use your EDC weapon to neutralize the kidnapper
third step : fake a fainting, go boneless and fall down. (I am a sizable guy, they may shoot me on the ground but I will not be a hostage)
alt Third step: RUN, better to be shot in the back running and get medical help, then die in a field/ditch with no one to help you.

more info
http://fox40.com/2014/08/11/stockton...-singhs-death/

[Ranger353]

justified but sad..
it appears that there was no sniper placing strategic shots..
This was a large group of LEO using whatever tools they had to stop this from turning into a 20 hostage stand off..
no easy answers, no take backs, no arm chair second guessing.
the officers were well withing policy for using lethal force, sad that they where not a bit more judicious, but I was not there.
I read somewhere that the last scumbag survived by using the hostage as a shield..
sad its Cali, in most of the Midwest that bastard would be guaranteed the death chamber for this.. in Cali he will have three meals and a cot for the rest of his scumbag life.

sad. I approve of the how not to be a hostage part..
first step: DO NOT LIVE IN CALIFORNIA, New York City
second step: use your EDC weapon to neutralize the kidnapper
third step : fake a fainting, go boneless and fall down. (I am a sizable guy, they may shoot me on the ground but I will not be a hostage)
alt Third step: RUN, better to be shot in the back running and get medical help, then die in a field/ditch with no one to help you.

more info
http://fox40.com/2014/08/11/stockton...-singhs-death/

+1 for sound advice.

[Dave_L]

I know when it's not my ammo, I shoot a little more liberally.