striker fired pistols.. best out right now.

[ray1970]

I fondled one of the HK pistols at Ark Tactical. Felt very good in the hand and pointed very well for me. Might not be one in my immediate future but I'm sure one will eventually find it's way into my safe.

[Tinelement]

Didn't mention. I did the Apex triggers in the M&P's. Great upgrade.

Another good one to look into would be the Walther PPQ M2.

[KS63]

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[mcantar18c]

Count me in as a vote for Glock. More aftermarket, better availability of spare parts and mags, cheap, extremely reliable and more importantly a proven platform. Trigger on mine feels excellent after less than $10 and 30 min of polishing.
FWIW I carry a G19 daily.

[mtnrider]

PPQ M2 or H&K VP9 for me. If the VP9 had a traditional mag release I think it would come out on top for me but both are a close tie. (also still love my XDm's as well but those 2 fit like a glove.)

With that said, only use everyone's opinion as an opinion. What fits Joe Glock may not be the right pistol for you. Try and shoot them and judge for yourself.

[hurley842002]

I pretty much like everything about the M&P pistols, better than Glock (not to say I don't love Glocks), except for the fact that I shoot Glocks better, so I carry a G26. Maybe I need to try an Apex modified M&P.

[Great-Kazoo]

Didn't mention. I did the Apex triggers in the M&P's. Great upgrade.

Another good one to look into would be the Walther PPQ M2.

I pretty much like everything about the M&P pistols, better than Glock (not to say I don't love Glocks), except for the fact that I shoot Glocks better, so I carry a G26. Maybe I need to try an Apex modified M&P.

The Apex upgrade is well worth it and makes a noticeable difference.It was a good shooter, accurate. BUT why do i need to drop another $75 to get a trigger where you can feel the reset, when glock does that stock.

Better to shoot a few different guns before you end up with buyer remorse.

[sportbikeco]

Glock

[O2HeN2]

Glock 19. 15 rounds. Ironically [legally] they hold more than a Glock 17, since I haven't heard of any 15 round G17 mags, only 10 rounders. Anyone know otherwise?

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[tim-adams]

ok great stuff here...
I was not aware that the overall view was M&P triggers suck... I am cool with that, you just add the cost of an apex to the cost of the gun..
I got more HK votes than I expected, HK make quality firearms but the $$$ is rarely worth the small difference in quality to Glock/smith/Xdm

Kazoo hit this thread on the head.. if I want a good trigger buy a gun with a good trigger.. same for feel in hand, its hard to change how a gun feels in your hand..

vote stands at

CZ-75 no love
XDm 2 I have a compact I love it, it is my carry gun not a lot of aftermarket, and accessories for it
PPQ^2 2 I hear this fits the hand like a HK, but has a trigger like a single action 1911 (I expect minimal or expensive aftermarket parts) $$$$$$$$
HK vp9 3 cost is a big deterrent here, I have fired varies HK's the mil spec trigger always sucks the gun runs like a champ. but the $$$$$$ (also to fix the trigger is $$$$$)
M&P 3 bad trigger, so buy an apex, and price of mags is dropping..
glock 19 6 mostly I was seeing the huge number of these makes aftermarket parts easy to get, the the trigger can be made lovely with $25 connector and some dremmel polishing.

so I need to go re test a glock 19 and see how it fits in my hand and if I like the natural point.. Also the M&P I have never fired one, need to do that, and see where it leads me.
the cost of these is pretty much a wash I think.. the advantage goes to glock for after market parts.

more thoughts?