Massad Ayoob: Terrorism in America, the Armed Citizen's View, interesting article

[sellersm]

Massad has written an article for Backwoods Home, entitled "Terrorism in America, the Armed Citizen's View": http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/ayoob150.html

I find this quote rather interesting, wondering if there should be more training in disarming techniques for the CCW citizen?

Hand-to-hand combat, by definition, only works at hand-to-hand distance. Trying to punch, kick, or throw human monsters armed with guns does not have a great history of success, so your best bet is to effectively learn disarming. Properly taught, this will be a structured system that attacks the weapon rather than the man holding it, using your initial movement to deflect the gun barrel away from you (or another intended victim) and then flowing into a leverage-based movement pattern that rips the weapon out of the malefactor's hands.

At Massad Ayoob Group LLC, we teach a system based on the work of Jim Lindell, in my opinion the leading expert on disarming and on gun retention, which is defeating a Bad Guy's attempt to disarm the Good Guy. In the Pacific Northwest, Firearms Academy of Seattle also teaches this to qualified private citizens; such systems are normally taught only to police. Few conventional martial arts dojos have anything this effective, so for local training your best bet is to seek out a Krav Maga school. It has been my experience that most, if not all, Krav Maga instructors will teach very effective leverage-based gun disarming.

[GilpinGuy]

Another awesome article by Ayoob.

[trlcavscout]

I thought we used the "two to the chest one to the head" method to make them drop their weapon?

We do if we don't want to tie up our legal system with terrorists. I could see this being useful when dealing with little Johnny and his hurt feelers when he takes dad's rifle to school, just so you could throw him a beating afterwards. But for goat poking terrorists a triple dose of lead is the best option because I for one don't want to have to pay for their lawyers or room and bored.

[HoneyBadger]

We do if we don't want to tie up our legal system with terrorists. I could see this being useful when dealing with little Johnny and his hurt feelers when he takes dad's rifle to school, just so you could throw him a beating afterwards. But for goat poking terrorists a triple dose of lead is the best option because I for one don't want to have to pay for their lawyers or room and bored.

Yep.

[Ronin13]

To add one bit that Mr. Ayoob either didn't know or forgot to mention- when doing a disarming technique (as taught in Krav Maga and a few other disciplines)- one heavy, hard strike to the head after the firearm's barrel has been deflected, will aid in removing the weapon from their grip.

[Aloha_Shooter]

But for goat poking terrorists a triple dose of lead is the best option because I for one don't want to have to pay for their lawyers or room and bored.

Triple dose? I'm pulling that trigger until I have an empty chamber.

"I was so scared for my life, I just reacted. I guess it took the slide locking open to make me realize he was down. I'm just glad all my shots hit the bad guy(s) and no innocent bystanders."

[275RLTW]

Sounds like a sales pitch for his new classes. I not saying that there is no place for unarmed combatives but Ayoob's motives are usually financially based.

[Monky]

Funny that it does mention the classes his group teaches.. nothing like a shameless plug!

Martial arts is funny when it comes to weapons.. It's not something you can just jump in to depending on the school. Krav does have some real basic disarm techniques that are simple and effective. I've been in that blue suit.. it's not all that fun. I miss Krav.. I need to go back..

[KestrelBike]

Additionally, you need to be in the habit of doing a failure drill whenever you recover it. (Either disarms or retention). Because you don't have time to think if it capable of firing or not - and if hands were on the gun (semi-automatic), it probably isn't.

TRB?

[HoneyBadger]

Probably just RB.
Tapping the magazine is probably unnecessary. I recommend pointing the ejection port towards the ground.

Or, if applicable: RBBBBBBBBBBBBBB ...(reload, if available)... BBBBBBBBBBBBBBB