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    Default Serious Question...how can you possibly NOT be a libertarian?

    I am curious. What do people have against libertarianism? I just don't see how anyone could be against anything on the libertarian platform. And the argument "because it takes votes away from republicans and allows democrats to win elections" has been proven completely false so that doesn't count.

    I genuinely want to know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PugnacAutMortem View Post
    I am curious. What do people have against libertarianism? I just don't see how anyone could be against anything on the libertarian platform. And the argument "because it takes votes away from republicans and allows democrats to win elections" has been proven completely false so that doesn't count.

    I genuinely want to know.
    I am a libertarian, but not a Libertarian. The Libertarian party is almost as organized as a herd of cats on Adderol, and their public platform is naively utopian, in many ways relying on the noble nature of mankind to ensure the prevention of tyranny. Many persons possess such a noble mentality, but PEOPLE as a group do not. I want nothing more than for my government to intrude as little as possible into my affairs, while fulfilling the duties explicitly laid out in the Constitution. I want good value for my taxes, so that they are levied at the lowest possible level. The current major parties fail miserably at this; the Libertarians espouse lofty goals in this respect, but offer little in the way of substantive alternatives.
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    Honestly I just wish both sides of the major parties leaned far less authoritarian. As it is neither are worth a vote, and this third party thing will take forever to get off the ground. I just hope I see libertarian leanings in real offices abundantly before I die.

    But to answer your question, people hate other people who are different, and want the law to do their dirty work. Result is everything gets made illegal and for-profit prisons and drug lords reign.

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    Libertarianism sounds good in theory; as does Communism.
    However, it overlooks human nature which makes it untenable.

    Here is a lengthy article that explains my view in greater depth:
    http://www.salon.com/2014/05/18/libe...bject_failure/

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    I am not defined by any political label. I have voted for Candidates in 5 different parties based on their platform, record, what I can glean about their personal integrity, leadership potential. In most cases, it is simple and the comparisons are obvious. That said, most of the people I end up voting for, I would not let watch my dog (well, maybe my big dog). Voting for Judges is a little more difficult. But as I read the history of our Nation, and of the various parties, I will continue to call myself an American. The political parties change and their platforms have switched, some have gone by the wayside.

    The number of laws on the books are promulgated by people whose income is based on their creation, argument about, and control of the people, not what is best for America.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davsel View Post
    Libertarianism sounds good in theory; as does Communism.
    However, it overlooks human nature which makes it untenable.

    Here is a lengthy article that explains my view in greater depth:
    http://www.salon.com/2014/05/18/libe...bject_failure/
    I believe you don't understand what libertarianism is. You can be left, you can be right, but you just stop banning sh!t and allow people you don't like to live their lives freely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Artema View Post
    I believe you don't understand what libertarianism is. You can be left, you can be right, but you just stop banning sh!t and allow people you don't like to live their lives freely.
    I believe you didn't read the article.

    On an individual basis, libertarianism is fine by me (not necessarily for me).
    As a form of government, it is impossible to sustain.

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    Unfortunately, it seems libertarian is synonymous with surrender. It's for the people that have given up on the 2 party system and throw their vote away. Not saying that's how it should be...just how I see it. It's that guy that says "Hey, I voted libertarian so don't blame me for anything".

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    I'm a Libertarian, the argument that government is needed to keep the population under control is illogical when you face the fact that the government is created and staffed by the same population. Government control will only grow and become more corrupt.
    Its the gene pool.
    I like sex, drugs and automatic weapons. That's why i'm a dues paying member of the Libertarian party. Struggling to keep the government away from messing with the above.
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    There will always be people who want to control others.
    There will always be people who have more power than others (military, financial)
    Without some way to inhibit powerful controlling people from stomping on others, tyranny will result.

    The United States has (had) a constitution to set limits on government to prevent tyranny.

    What does Libertarianism provide to limit a powerful and control minded person or group from imposing their will on the people?

    If it weren't for the fact that there will always be powerful controlling people, Libertarianism could work.
    If it weren't for lazy people, Communism could work.

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