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    Quote Originally Posted by RepHolbert View Post
    House Dems have a 34-31 majority. 33 votes are required to pass a bill through the House. More than one member of the House who will be there in 2015 voted "No" on the 2013 citizen-control bills. After losing two recalls and one resignation in 2013, and now losing two incumbents in the Senate and three incumbent members of the House, 2015 will offer Dems a third chance to get it right. Is it a sure thing? No. Will citizens who are pro-2A be heard in the Senate? Damn straight. Has Hick contradicted himself and indicated that "if we had known how controversial" the citizen-control bills would be, that maybe they would have done things differently? Yes.

    Again, a sure thing? No. Better odds? Yes. An opportunity to correct one or more wrongs? Definitely.
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    When do they get to draw the lines for senate and house districts?

    Right now, the ball is in the Republican party's court, so they better get to work undoing the shenanigans instituted by the Gang of Four.

    They don't have a lot of time to get things done before the next election, and they better start laying the groundwork of a long-term plan to take this state back from the leftists or else this victory is going to be nothing more than a speedbump in their plans to turn this state blue.
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    If there's nothing wrong with having to show an ID to buy a gun, there's nothing wrong with having to show an ID to vote.

    For legal reasons, that's a joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RepHolbert View Post
    House Dems have a 34-31 majority. 33 votes are required to pass a bill through the House. More than one member of the House who will be there in 2015 voted "No" on the 2013 citizen-control bills. After losing two recalls and one resignation in 2013, and now losing two incumbents in the Senate and three incumbent members of the House, 2015 will offer Dems a third chance to get it right. Is it a sure thing? No. Will citizens who are pro-2A be heard in the Senate? Damn straight. Has Hick contradicted himself and indicated that "if we had known how controversial" the citizen-control bills would be, that maybe they would have done things differently? Yes.

    Again, a sure thing? No. Better odds? Yes. An opportunity to correct one or more wrongs? Definitely.
    As you mentioned... We don't want to give up the playbook but can you at least confirm that there will be some pro gun bills born in the next legislative session? I assume the repeal bills will be created every session from now on, but I would like to see some others too.

    I too think that there is a chance that at least one or two Dems could be flipped on this issue and that could be all it takes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RepHolbert View Post
    At least now, we can stop them.

    Following the 2013 general session, there was A LOT of frustration expressed as to why we Republicans (the Minority) didn't do more to stop the anti-gun bills. Those frustrations often boiled down to 'why didn't Republicans shut down the process?'

    The answer is simple: in Colorado, the Minority has no ability to 'shut down the process.' That is not possible under the COLORADO state Constitution. Apparently, the Constitution of the State of Texas may provide some provision for the Minority to shut down the process. A few years ago, eleven Democrat state Senators from Texas gained much media attention when they left Texas, went to New Mexico, and refused to return until they got what they wanted. OK, if that story is accurate, then we know one thing: the Texas Constitution and the Colorado Constitution are different.

    In Colorado, the critical "33, 18 & 1" refers to the rule of Simple Majority. There are 65 seats in the state House. A simple majority is 33 of those 65 seats. There are 35 seats in the state Senate. A simple majority is 18 of those 35 seats. There is one Governor. Thus, if 33 or more members of the House agree, 18 or more of the Senate agree, and the one Governor agrees, then a bill passes into law… and there is NO WAY for those in the House or Senate who disagree (32 or fewer in the House and/or 17 or fewer in the Senate) to stop the bill. If a minority of members were to leave the state or refuse to vote, they (we) would be counted "Absent" or "Excused" and the process would continue because, under the Colorado Constitution, there is no provision for a minority of members to shut down the process. Quorum requirements to start business on any legislative day are also 33 & 18.

    With this one majority, we Republicans now have a way to stop bad bills and pass good bills. Any eighteen or more members of the Senate *could* shut down the process, but there would be no need for a majority of members to shut themselves down.

    As we move toward the 2015 general session, please keep-in-mind and share with others the reality that our political opposition is watching and they are anxious to know what bills will be run. What will be the agenda for 2015? Who will run which bills? How can they rally their resources to prepare for the upcoming legislative battles? They watch social media and even issue-oriented sites like this one. Thus, it would be really not smart for us to discuss such things in a forum setting. Bills can be introduced starting Wednesday, January 7, 2015. Until then, please encourage keeping our playbook to ourselves. The other team doesn't need our help. We now have 18, they have 34 & 1.
    Quote Originally Posted by RepHolbert View Post
    House Dems have a 34-31 majority. 33 votes are required to pass a bill through the House. More than one member of the House who will be there in 2015 voted "No" on the 2013 citizen-control bills. After losing two recalls and one resignation in 2013, and now losing two incumbents in the Senate and three incumbent members of the House, 2015 will offer Dems a third chance to get it right. Is it a sure thing? No. Will citizens who are pro-2A be heard in the Senate? Damn straight. Has Hick contradicted himself and indicated that "if we had known how controversial" the citizen-control bills would be, that maybe they would have done things differently? Yes.

    Again, a sure thing? No. Better odds? Yes. An opportunity to correct one or more wrongs? Definitely.
    I still think it is awesome that a state representative will come on here and post. Thank you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin View Post
    When do they get to draw the lines for senate and house districts?
    Every ten years.

    http://www.colorado.gov/cs/Satellite.../1251581558103
    Last edited by DavieD55; 11-10-2014 at 12:04.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavieD55 View Post
    Republicans have been getting hosed since at least 2002. So if you want to see any changes vote early and often in 2020, and make sure republicans have a large majority and excellent lawyers. Sorry third parties won't help.
    Last edited by CO Hugh; 11-10-2014 at 16:12.

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