Ferguson

[Ronin13]

I really hate some of you guys' opinions sometimes...

How does picking out a racially charged dialogue...in a movie made to show how stupid this line of thinking is no less..help you get your point across? Or are you just having an outward showing of racism and using this as your way of easing into the conversation, hoping that you will find some like-minded individuals among us here?

I guess you can't actually see what he's really saying... For a part of the dialog, Ed Norton's character, regardless of his character's racism, does make a few good points. He points out how people get hung up on the wrong aspect of the case, how they lash out irrationally, and how they destroy their own neighborhood... EXACTLY what we're seeing in Ferguson right now. Lately you've been getting a little hot under the collar more frequently... Everything okay?

[RMAC757]

I guess you can't actually see what he's really saying... For a part of the dialog, Ed Norton's character, regardless of his character's racism, does make a few good points. He points out how people get hung up on the wrong aspect of the case, how they lash out irrationally, and how they destroy their own neighborhood... EXACTLY what we're seeing in Ferguson right now. Lately you've been getting a little hot under the collar more frequently... Everything okay?

I don't think he needs you, Ronin, to point out wht he's thinking. That clip is totally taken out of context from a movie that conveys a much larger message. People irrationally lash out and riot every time there's a Super Bowl win, NHL championshion Halloween ( CU Boulder ) or pumpkin fest in New Hampshire. They are also destroying their own neighborhood yet race isn't an outlying factor so it's far less news worthy. Hoodlums and vandals will appear anytime a large group assembles to protest in order to prey on the lack/strength of police presence. That clip is a a small exerpt from a movie thats trying to convey a much bigger message.

[HoneyBadger]

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/c...UwQ2E.facebook

FERGUSON • Following a night of arson fires and bashed storefronts that hit close to home, Greg Hildebrand stood naked Tuesday, drying off from a needed shower, when he noticed somebody on the rooftop.“I opened the window and said, ‘Hey, can I help you?’” said Hildebrand, 35, a website developer.
The man said he was security and would be up there at night with others to protect the pocket of second-story apartments and lower-level storefronts near the Ferguson Police Department. A day earlier, rioters had broken out windows below Hildebrand’s apartment in the 100 block of South Florissant Road and torched a nearby beauty supply store.
“I am in the middle of a difficult spot,” Hildebrand said. “I feel a lot better having those guys up on the roof.”
But he wasn’t clear exactly who “those guys” were or where they came from.
Puzzled and alarmed protesters have wondered, too — some accusing the mysterious guards in military fatigues of being in the Ku Klux Klan.
In fact, they are volunteers affiliated with a 35,000-member national organization called Oath Keepers. Yale Law School graduate and libertarian Stewart Rhodes said by telephone from Montana that he founded the group in 2009 to protect constitutional rights, including those of protesters confronted by what he described as overly militarized police.
But Rhodes, who said he is Mexican-American, was quick to assure that Oath Keepers is not anti-government. He said those pulling rooftop security in Ferguson are current or former government employees and first responders, many who have intense military, police and EMS training.
“We thought they were going to do it right this time,” Rhodes said of government response to the grand jury decision released Monday night in the Darren Wilson case. “But when Monday rolled around and they didn’t park the National Guard at these businesses, that’s when we said we have got to do something.


“Historically, the government almost always fails to protect people,” he added.
Justine Sharrock, reporting for Mother Jones magazine in 2010, wrote in an in-depth story about how the group is hard to pin down: “In the months I’ve spent getting to know the Oath Keepers, I’ve toggled between viewing them either as potentially dangerous conspiracy theorists or as crafty intellectuals with the savvy to rally politicians to their side. The answer, I came to realize, is that they cover the whole spectrum.”
In recent days, Oath Keepers put out a national request to members to help in Ferguson. Volunteers showed up from Nebraska, Texas and Indiana. On Thursday, one volunteer had an “infidel” patch on his Kevlar vest and would say only that he came from “the north.”
They won’t say how many people are part of the effort or exactly where they are placed. But they seem to be mainly focused on a strip of South Florissant Road two blocks north of the police station that includes a Chinese restaurant, dentist office, bakery and the apartments.
“We were sick in our gut we couldn’t be here sooner,” said John Karriman of Joplin, Mo., a state leader of Oath Keepers who teaches police tactics. “We are here to volunteer our time and make sure everybody stays safe.”
Another leader, who would only give his first name, Sam, described himself as a weapons engineer from the St. Louis area who has done security contracting for the U.S. government. He said he was motivated to help after seeing a CNN story featuring extensive damage to Natalie’s Cake’s & More,which also helped generate thousands of dollars in donations for the small business.
Sam said he contacted owner Natalie Dubose and told her he was going to secure her store and others.
“She started crying,” Sam said.
Oath Keepers boarded up a bunch of the storefronts and started night rotations on several rooftops. Sam said he vetted volunteers to ensure there weren’t any “racists” or “people with an ax to grind.” He said he picked volunteers who “have seen the elephant and are calm under fire.”
Fearing more arsonists, Oath Keeper volunteers have buckets of water, fire extinguishers and other nonlethal weapons on the rooftops. Some are also armed with rifles that aren’t available at Walmart and Cabela’s.
The volunteers are well aware of the grave risk to life that arson can play and the legal right to stop it from happening.
Police are aware of their presence and have questioned some of the group’s volunteers. But police haven’t ordered the Oath Keepers to leave.
In operation since Tuesday, group volunteers say they are confident they have helped protect property and lives since they arrived. The group said they are willing to stay as long as it takes.
Their only requirement to help is rooftop access.
Victor Clark, a dentist at Ferguson Dental on South Florissant Road, said he was happy to have their free assistance. He wants to reopen soon. On Monday, rioters shattered the front door and window, stole dental needles and anesthetic.
Then Oath Keepers showed up out of the blue. “We gave them our keys,” he said. “We didn’t know that much about them, but we got a feeling of trust. You have to do something to protect our building.”

[tmckay2]

Not or sure you understand that clip. That clip isn't meant to show how stupid nortons character is. In fact, the opposite. It's showing how he's a pretty smart guy that makes some good points and DOES think critically about the situation, which sets up the transformation that happens later. It's showing that unlike his friends he isn't 100 percent blind racist, he isn't saying blacks are somehow predisposed to crime or that it's some evolutionary reason, he thinks that kind of excuse making is a major reason why their crime rate is so high. Do I agree with it completely? Of course not. And that's partly the point of that scene, to show that both views are partly correct and partly incorrect. But that is one of the few clips of that movie that is meant to show there is some logic behind his view of that situation versus blind racism.

You shouldn't be so quick to judge it makes you looks silly. Although that's a fairly deep scene I think it was pretty elementary to understand it's intent.

I really hate some of you guys' opinions sometimes...

How does picking out a racially charged dialogue...in a movie made to show how stupid this line of thinking is no less..help you get your point across? Or are you just having an outward showing of racism and using this as your way of easing into the conversation, hoping that you will find some like-minded individuals among us here?

[sniper7]

Please explain, anybody, why if you call out these individuals/group of people/community/neighborhood, you are all of a sudden a racist. That, in my mind is reverse racism. Last I checked, we've seen Facebook posts, articles, interviews etc from people of all races/color/religion that don't condone what is happening in ferguson, yet, once again, whites are racist.


The democrats tell the black community they are oppressed, need help, have social injustices. They tell the Mexicans they are oppressed, should enjoy everything we have to offer even if they did enter illegally. The more people get told these things, the more they start to believe it. The real enemy to these groups isn't the people they are told don't like them, it is in fact the very same people who tell them they are oppressed and offer promises for votes.

[ben4372]

Please explain, anybody, why if you call out these individuals/group of people/community/neighborhood, you are all of a sudden a racist. That, in my mind is reverse racism. Last I checked, we've seen Facebook posts, articles, interviews etc from people of all races/color/religion that don't condone what is happening in ferguson, yet, once again, whites are racist.


The democrats tell the black community they are oppressed, need help, have social injustices. They tell the Mexicans they are oppressed, should enjoy everything we have to offer even if they did enter illegally. The more people get told these things, the more they start to believe it. The real enemy to these groups isn't the people they are told don't like them, it is in fact the very same people who tell them they are oppressed and offer promises for votes.

Lots of good points. Though I've all but stopped using the "reverse" part of "reverse racism" It actually softens the term. The point about the real enemy is as old as time. The rulers love the people to be at odds with each other. That way they never figure out who they should really be fighting, usually the rulers.

[KestrelBike]

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/c...UwQ2E.facebook FERGUSON • Following a night of arson fires and bashed storefronts that hit close to home, Greg Hildebrand stood naked Tuesday, drying off from a needed shower, when he noticed somebody on the rooftop.“I opened the window and said, ‘Hey, can I help you?’” said Hildebrand, 35, a website developer.

Awesome. Bet I won't see this kind of reporting anywhere else. StlToday clearly isn't on the same page of the narrative as the rest of the MSM.

[speedysst]

Ive been thinking that it would be nice to have a leader who, instead of telling their constituents how they are mistreated and how they are owed something, they reach out with a positive message to the tune of if you want change, start in your own back yard. Start the change in your own neighborhood. Get involved in city government and maybe run for city council. Go to city council meetings on a regular basis instead of just showing up when something bad happens.

Please explain, anybody, why if you call out these individuals/group of people/community/neighborhood, you are all of a sudden a racist. That, in my mind is reverse racism. Last I checked, we've seen Facebook posts, articles, interviews etc from people of all races/color/religion that don't condone what is happening in ferguson, yet, once again, whites are racist.


The democrats tell the black community they are oppressed, need help, have social injustices. They tell the Mexicans they are oppressed, should enjoy everything we have to offer even if they did enter illegally. The more people get told these things, the more they start to believe it. The real enemy to these groups isn't the people they are told don't like them, it is in fact the very same people who tell them they are oppressed and offer promises for votes.

[sniper7]

Good read:

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/11/2091...ty-goes-viral/

[KestrelBike]

Ive been thinking that it would be nice to have a leader who, instead of telling their constituents how they are mistreated and how they are owed something, they reach out with a positive message to the tune of if you want change, start in your own back yard. Start the change in your own neighborhood. Get involved in city government and maybe run for city council. Go to city council meetings on a regular basis instead of just showing up when something bad happens.

Gee, sounds like a job for a former community organizer. </vomit>