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    One of the biggest black market items in the US is cigarettes. Buy them where they are taxed much less and sell them in NY where the taxes are sky high. It seems that the suspect was on probation for the same violations and it seemed like the cops knew the guy.
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    Im trying to figure out why they were trying to arrest him for selling a cigarette? I mean isn't arresting him a bit much here? Shouldn't this be a ticket at the most? He was basically loitering.

    I blame the politicians that pass laws like this. Bloomberg with his big gulp ban comes to mind. If not for these crap laws that infringe on our freedoms there never would have been a confrontation here.

    The ironic thing is the people that tend to vote these types of politicians into office are the same ones that tend to be affected most by them.
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    By the way... There were almost 230,000 misdemeanor arrests by NYPD in NYC last year. None of them turned out like this one did. This type of situation is not common. I know once is one time too many under the circumstances but this is not a problem of the police being out of control or the system not working.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bailey Guns View Post
    By the way... There were almost 230,000 misdemeanor arrests by NYPD in NYC last year. None of them turned out like this one did. This type of situation is not common. I know once is one time too many under the circumstances but this is not a problem of the police being out of control or the system not working.
    1 / 230,000 is about 4.64 parts per million. That's pretty good by any measure.

    Not a cop, never wanted to be a cop, it seems like a really tough job. A few LEO friends have shared experiences in which I know I couldn't handle. My tolerance for stupid people is quite low, and LEOs see the worst our species have to offer.

    I don't have all the facts, but with more info coming out, I've had to revise my initial reaction.


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    Bailey, did you see a different video than the rest of us? The guy was committing at best a minor/non-violent misdemeanor and had his hands up when the cop killed him. He said he couldn't breathe and no CPR/First Aid was admitted when he passed out. Everyone knows your not gonna cross the blue line, but helll, if a pilot intentionally took a plane down I'd be the first to call him on it. Doesn't NYC have bigger problems like gangs of roving bikers to handle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RMAC757 View Post
    Bailey, did you see a different video than the rest of us? The guy was committing at best a minor/non-violent misdemeanor and had his hands up when the cop killed him. He said he couldn't breathe and no CPR/First Aid was admitted when he passed out. Everyone knows your not gonna cross the blue line, but helll, if a pilot intentionally took a plane down I'd be the first to call him on it. Doesn't NYC have bigger problems like gangs of roving bikers to handle?
    next it's going to be 3 more white cops taking down a black guy drinking a 32oz coke.

    Quote Originally Posted by stoner01 View Post
    I'm also going to add that a Coratid hold doesn't involve actually choking someone. You apply pressure to the sides of the neck to temporarily deprive the brain of oxygen. It's supposed to be used on violently resisting subjects.
    Can we please refer to it by the correct term of blood choke
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    Quote Originally Posted by RMAC757 View Post
    Bailey, did you see a different video than the rest of us? The guy was committing at best a minor/non-violent misdemeanor and had his hands up when the cop killed him. He said he couldn't breathe and no CPR/First Aid was admitted when he passed out. Everyone knows your not gonna cross the blue line, but helll, if a pilot intentionally took a plane down I'd be the first to call him on it. Doesn't NYC have bigger problems like gangs of roving bikers to handle?
    I'm going with this. ^^^. Well stated.

    In the Ferguson case, based off of the evidence I saw before and since the GJ decision, I think the GJ made the right call.

    Now, in this NYC event, based off of the video and little else, I think there were enough questionable actions to warrant more investigation and review than the GJ could possibly provide. The little LE training I received from a buddy years ago and from the USAF when I "played cop", even I know that those sorts of chokes are NOT appropriate. PERIOD. This GJ decision leaves me mystified. If there was to be fallout from a GJ decision, THIS is the one that should have created concern.
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    Up side is NYPD arrested more tonight than fergadishu did in 3 days.
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    One less criminal off the streets.
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    Eff NYC...that place scares me. Just wall it off and make it a prison...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BushMasterBoy View Post
    Eff NYC...that place scares me. Just wall it off and make it a prison...
    It is, the residents who live there accept it as part of the NYC cultural experience. We left 30 years ago to avoid shit like this, among other things. Before that a gathering of civil disobedience had a decent body count, of sheeple .
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