Grand Jury Decides Not To Indict Cop In Eric Garner Chokehold Case

[RMAC757]

A pilot intentionally bringing a plane down and killing his/her passengers is not analogous to a police officer using an unauthorized but not illegal restraint tactic and unintentionally causing the death of a person with a criminal record and resisting arrest, during the course of arrest. You can't charge someone for violating policy that doesn't rise to a violation of law.

Garner also had other medical issues that contributed to his death: hypertension, bronchial asthma, obesity and diabetes. He was a physical wreck.
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My opinions have nothing to do with not wanting to "cross the thin blue line". Some of you need to get over that. I haven't worn a badge for 13 years. But, unlike most of you, I've been there, know the training, know the procedures and I have a good working knowledge of the law and legal process. I didn't learn what I know about police work and the legal system from watching TV. Many of you apparently did...and you didn't even watch the entire episode apparently.

I wouldn't attempt to make a judgement on a commercial pilot who made a mistake flying a 767 (or any other airliner) because I don't know how to fly an airliner. Nor would I tell an IT guy how to do his job because I don't know the ins and outs of it (or IT). I don't know why everyone seems to think they're some kind of freakin expert on police work when they've never done it. Or why they think they know better than a grand jury on whether or not to issue a true bill when they didn't hear the evidence and the grand jury did.

Bailey, my comparisons of the two jobs were more about the fact that carelessness at either can cost lives. Both jobs require that total strangers place a large amount of blind trust in you to keep them safe and assume your training is adequate to do so. As you know, every time there is an air accident we are heavily scrutinized and often found at least partially at fault even when those actions had nothing to do with the final outcome ( Most of the time we're also not there anymore to defend ourselves ). I won't get into it, but one of my degrees ( I'm not that smart, 2 was just more cost effective than one ) is heavily based in constitutional law, so I have studied the structure and process of our legal system. I like to stay clear of most race based threads as they turn into stupid forums for people to allow themselves to be heard and spout venom. I do not believe this is one of them though a couple have tried to steer it that way.

Often it appears that the level of participation on this site has to do more with a passive "Hate meter" than a common interest in the 2nd Amendment and our general rights as citizens. Everyone knows who most of the fire starters are. Bailey, you commented a lot on the Martain/Zimmerman and Wilson/Brown cases as well. A lot of which could've construed as speculation on your part. I guess my point in all of this worthless babble is that. "On it's face" something stinks here. I'm also tired of seeing this awesome country ripped apart over stuff as stupid as ethnicity and race ( You're either a citizen or your not....end of story). Even though we've had our polite differences, I alone should be your reference that not everyone thinks as part of a heard mentality. Yet it continues to be the catalyst for many of these conversations.

Finally, who gives a rat crap about Sharpton or Jackson. The only reason the media puts them on TV is that they know it will piss people off and increase viewer percentage. As most of our parents taught us.....ignore them and it will go away.

Have a good day
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[BlasterBob]

The moral of this mess - You break the law, you may expect to possibly be arrested regardless of how petty YOU believe that law to be. Resist arrest and you know the possible consequences. Simple message - don't break the law in the first place.

[Hound]

Bailey, you commented a lot on the Martain/Zimmerman and Wilson/Brown cases as well. A lot of which could've construed as speculation on your part. I guess my point in all of this worthless babble is that. "On it's face" something stinks here. I'm also tired of seeing this awesome country ripped apart over stuff as stupid as ethnicity and race ( You're either a citizen or your not....end of story). Even though we've had our polite differences, I alone should be your reference that not everyone thinks as part of a heard mentality. Yet it continues to be the catalyst for many of these conversations.

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[Aloha_Shooter]

I need more information. The Rodney King video was supposed to speak for itself too but things were completely different when the complete video was made available and you saw just how nuts and out of control King was. In this case, I don't understand from what I've seen why the cops "immediately" moved into what appeared to be an aggressive move to restrain Garner but the headlock used did not appear to be the banned carotid chokehold.

I can guess that the cops may have thought Garner was overacting when he complained about not being able to breathe or that he was able to breathe again when he went quiescent but I really don't know what was in their minds and why they didn't check his vitals.

At the end of the day, I have to trust the grand jury system knowing that -- like our republican form of government -- it's flawed but still the best system we have available.

[HoneyBadger]

Honestly I think a taser would have INCREASED the likelihood of Garner dying.

[Chad4000]

Yeah guys.... this one is pretty cut and dry. cop choked and killed somebody when it was absolutely not necessary. like ginsue said, if there was outrage to be had, it should be this situation..

[Hound]

You might as well argue with a wall when it comes to the "thin blue line". It is a line that even the good ones won't cross without a serious reason. There will ALWAYS be the argument of "we don't know all the facts" or "exigent circumstances" and even when the full video is seen and coroner legally rules was a "homicide" there will always be a technicality. If you are not cop you are little people and we have no reason to "get over that". We little people are on the recieving end of this equation. Just because we are not all cops does not nullify our opinions. What we are seeing is that the AD (who has an inherent conflict of interest) is responsible for how the GJ runs and we are seeing the result. It is the independence that is missing here. Knowing the technicallities of the law(s) is another excuse used by slick lawyers, bad cops and tyrants. Not all laws are good or clear, even if they originally had a good intent. The facts of this are that a man DIED over cigaret taxes and resisting arrest (which is debateable, all he did is raise his hands and try to process the situation. He never attacked any cop.), which the coroner (independently, taking into consideration athsma, heart issues and obesity) classified as a Homicide and it did not even rate an indictment to let a jury decide. For the little people out here on the other side of that line, whom the police are supposed to be serving....... Something is wrong.

Bailey/Kazoo..... Don't care what you have to say on this anymore than you will actually read what I have to say. You are always right in your own mind(s) and are the poster child of the wall I described. Bailey I do have to thank you for making my point of the contempt you have for the little people... It says it all

But, unlike most of you, I've been there, know the training, know the procedures and I have a good working knowledge of the law and legal process. I didn't learn what I know about police work and the legal system from watching TV. Many of you apparently did...and you didn't even watch the entire episode apparently.

[crashdown]

Cigarette taxes, boosting cigars...... Smoking kills, and that is the true common denominator in these cases.

[Great-Kazoo]

Here's one of the big money backers printing HIGH DOLLAR posters , organizing etc. Agree with the grand Juries verdict or not These people are the ones Obama walks lockstep with.

http://revcom.us/

[davsel]

Here's one of the big money backers printing HIGH DOLLAR posters , organizing etc. Agree with the grand Juries verdict or not These people are the ones Obama walks lockstep with.

http://revcom.us/

Yep, these are the same morons who camped out during the occupy nonsense. However, back then, they didn't have a common "cause" for protesting. Now they've found one and are trying again.

This administration is shaking up the bottle. I predict there will be a false flag event, perhaps an attempted assassination of a prominent black figure, that will pop the cork.
Then comes martial law and the people begging for more police/military protection as the war gets underway.

Stay safe.