Colorado gun group: Let pot users have concealed carry permits

[jerrymrc]

It is only fairly recently that MJ has seen a lessening of the societal stigma that has traditionally been attached to it. IMHO. Just my 2 cents.

Now that does depend on where ya grew up. When I was a teenager simple possession was reduced to a traffic ticket in OR. IMO I still would rather deal with a stoner than a drunk. Just my 2 cents.

[Zundfolge]

I have no problem with the state allowing people with medical mj cards to get their CHP too. As for recreational users, I guarantee you that most folk that smoke a little now and again don't check that little box on the 4473 saying they're an illegal drug user, so I don't see the point in carving out a special exemption for them. And like with alcohol, you can't pack under the influence (medical mj or recreational).

[bryjcom]

I'd be curious to see if taking a couple of hits before a high power match would improve my scores.... LOL! It definitely enhances your senses including your vision.....

And I concur with Jerrymrc... I'd rather have a stoner with a gun than a drunk with a gun.

[crays]

Now that does depend on where ya grew up. When I was a teenager simple possession was reduced to a traffic ticket in OR. IMO I still would rather deal with a stoner than a drunk. Just my 2 cents.

True on both counts. I was just commenting on the "nation-wide" attitude about controlled substance, in response to another member's post. Over the years, I have encountered several individuals who purchased firearms (or multiple firearms), that I knew for a fact were regular pot smokers. Most of them, I didn't give a second thought to the way they checked that box on the 4473. And as Zundfolge said, if the state can issue them a med card, that shouldn't automatically preclude them from a concealed carry permit, providing they follow all the rules every other permit holder does.

[Eric P]

I have no problem with the state allowing people with medical mj cards to get their CHP too. As for recreational users, I guarantee you that most folk that smoke a little now and again don't check that little box on the 4473 saying they're an illegal drug user, so I don't see the point in carving out a special exemption for them. And like with alcohol, you can't pack under the influence (medical mj or recreational).

Technically doesn't it ask if you are addicted to it? So smoking every now and then is not addicted, similar to alcoholic vs an occasional drink.

[crays]

Captured from 4473:



Sorry for the crappy screen snip, but Form 4473 Question 11.e. begins "Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to...". So I guess with the current laws in CO, any recreational or med card user of MJ could honestly answer "NO" (as long as they aren't using any other drugs listed in 11.e).

[Zundfolge]

... Form 4473 Question 11.e. begins "Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to...". So I guess with the current laws in CO, any recreational or med card user of MJ could honestly answer "NO" (as long as they aren't using any other drugs listed in 11.e).

Except that its a Federal form so my assumption is that the question includes Federal law in which case even a Medical MJ license would count as an "unlawful user of...".

That said, a CHL is a state issued license, not a Federal one so as long as your Med MJ user isn't buying from an FFL* they fall into kind of a gray area but the state could allow it.


*of course the Dems screwed that one up for Coloradoans now didn't they.

[DFBrews]

Here is another fun gray area. What about growers... can you grow and possess/purchase from an ffl and for arguments sake completely clean no usage at all solely a lively hood. i have always wanted to talk to a lawyer about that. See what their thoughts are

[crays]

Except that its a Federal form so my assumption is that the question includes Federal law in which case even a Medical MJ license would count as an "unlawful user of...".

That said, a CHL is a state issued license, not a Federal one so as long as your Med MJ user isn't buying from an FFL* they fall into kind of a gray area but the state could allow it.


*of course the Dems screwed that one up for Coloradoans now didn't they.

Good point. I completely disregarded the Federal aspect in my argument without even realizing it.

[Irving]

Or maybe because it was an illegal, mind-altering substance, when they updated the form.

I say that because it is specifically mentioned and other drugs aren't. At least I don't think they are. Been a while since I filled out that form.