Oklahoma, Nebraska Challenge Colorado Marijuana Legalization

[newracer]

Hypocrites

Whiteclay is an unincorporated village of 14 people in northwest Nebraska bordering the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, home to the Oglala Lakota (also known as the Oglala Sioux Tribe). The Pine Ridge lies almost entirely in South Dakota.

Whiteclay lies on disputed land, merely 200 feet from the official reservation border, and less than 2 miles from the center of Pine Ridge, South Dakota, the largest town on the reservation.

The number of people living on the Pine Ridge has long been controversial. The 2000 census reports 15,521 residents, but in 2005 the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) revised the figure to 28,000. The Oglala Sioux tribal government maintains that the true population of the Pine Ridge is around 40,000.

Sale and possession of alcoholic beverages on the Pine Ridge is prohibited under tribal law. Except for a brief experiment with on-reservation liquor sales in the early 1970s, this prohibition has been in effect since the reservation lands were created.

Whiteclay has four off-sale beer stores licensed by the State of Nebraska which sell the equivalent of 4.5 million 12-ounce cans of beer annually (12,500 cans per day), mostly to the Oglalas living on the Pine Ridge.

http://battleforwhiteclay.org/?page_id=140

[Ranger353]

I was talking to a person about this new topic over the weekend, and he was concerned that this was setting up a fight over states' rights versus federal oversight. The problem I explained is simply we are not a democracy, but a republic. What's the difference? We are a nation of laws (republic) and not a nation of majority rules (democracy). If the laws are unconstitutional then we look to the courts for relief, otherwise we change the laws. To make a state constitutional right (amendment 64) in direct conflict with a federal law poses an interesting fight at the federal level.

Let the games begin.

[Zundfolge]

...I explained is simply we are not a democracy, but a republic...

Except that we are no longer a republic, we are no longer moored to our constitution.

We are now a Judicial Oligarchy / Administrative State.

The power is no longer in the hands of the legislature and the people but instead rests in the courts and the bureaucracy.

[Ranger353]

Except that we are no longer a republic, we are no longer moored to our constitution.

We are now a Judicial Oligarchy / Administrative State.

The power is no longer in the hands of the legislature and the people but instead rests in the courts and the bureaucracy.

Not true, amendment 64 was passed on a ballot initiative. So the people still do have the power of the vote. Now comes the court test, is a citizen approved right stronger than a federal law?

[Zundfolge]

Not true, amendment 64 was passed on a ballot initiative. So the people still do have the power of the vote. Now comes the court test, is a citizen approved right stronger than a federal law?

Any law passed by the people via ballot initiative or by their representatives in either state or federal legislatures can easily be overturned by the Oligarchy of men and women in black robes or regulated out of existence by the army of bureaucrats and there's not a damn thing the people can do about it.

[Eric P]

Any law passed by the people via ballot initiative or by their representatives in either state or federal legislatures can easily be overturned by the Oligarchy of men and women in black robes or regulated out of existence by the army of bureaucrats and there's not a damn thing the people can do about it.

Except exercise their 2nd Ammendment rights and overthrow the black coats and beaurocrats. Why do you think they are trying their damnedest on both side to disarm us?

[XC700116]

Biggest problem I see is that it's all based on a false reality. There isn't some huge increase in running MJ out of CO to other states, the "legalization" just shines a light on it. It's not as if it was difficult to get before, and it's not as if thousands of CO residents all of a sudden became drug runners. If anything I'd bet there's more NE, OK, WY, UT, TX, and NM residents coming to CO, buying weed, and then taking a bit home with them.

Is there an increase in arrests, sure, because all these reactionary idiots decided to pull over any CO licensed vehicle coming across the borders that gives them the slightest reason to pull them over. And then they either get out the dogs, or bully them into what is essentially an illegal search, and then they find something on a good portion of these stops.

Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of MJ, and I've seen a LOT of drawbacks to "localized legalization" but the reality of the situation is that because of the false perceived reality, we have a LOT of CO citizens being harassed by neighboring state LEO's when they've done nothing wrong while exercising their rights to interstate travel. They are routinely having their 4th amendment rights violated and these neighboring states aren't being challenged on it as of yet. How much you wanna bet they've realized the sheer number of civil rights lawsuits they have coming their way and are trying this in an attempt to head those off and or make CO foot the bill for all those lawsuits.

[rondog]

Since I'm an OK native with family & friends there, I'd love to take a few guns with me on visits for some range time with my brothers. But with this BS going on I'm scared shitless to even bring my CCW. Even though I have a CO CHP and OK has reciprocity with CO, I don't want any roadside bullshit cavity searches because I'm a "goddamn Colorado drug runner with a gun". OK cops tend to have a strong redneck streak don'tcha know....

[XC700116]

Since I'm an OK native with family & friends there, I'd love to take a few guns with me on visits for some range time with my brothers. But with this BS going on I'm scared shitless to even bring my CCW. Even though I have a CO CHP and OK has reciprocity with CO, I don't want any roadside bullshit cavity searches because I'm a "goddamn Colorado drug runner with a gun". OK cops tend to have a strong redneck streak don'tcha know....

You're not the only one who's had this thought cross their mind, I'm just waiting on it to happen to me. 99 times out of 100 when I leave the state in my personal vehicle there's at least 1 firearm in the vehicle, typically more than one.

Thank god my company truck has NE plates, as that's what I'm driving 90% of the time I leave CO via 4 wheels. I also can't carry a firearm in it though so it's not much of a big deal, but I don't get pulled over at the drop of a hat in it either.

[earplug]

Will this effect buying magazines and private sales of rifles while traveling to such great states?