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    Quote Originally Posted by 275RLTW View Post
    From a CCW standpoint, why would the gun be out unless there is a clear need for it? Either it's needed and being used, or you keep it holstered. The situation either meets the criteria for use of deadly force or it doesn't. Last time I checked, menacing with a weapon is still a felony.
    You should look up the definition of menacing.
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    Self defense tactics and gun game tactics can't be compared to one another for obvious reasons. The original poster needs to clarify which use case he is interested in learning more about. Without that information nobody can really give accurate advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHA-LEE View Post
    Self defense tactics and gun game tactics can't be compared to one another for obvious reasons. The original poster needs to clarify which use case he is interested in learning more about. Without that information nobody can really give accurate advice.
    I am talking real world tactics, not competition, but getting to use a environment to test skills and drills under stress without the added bonus of bullets flying in your general direction is always nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraven251 View Post
    To preface the question, I have done movement drills with rifles, but have not done much beyond engage and holster, move drills with pistols.

    I watched a variety of Hollywood fluff and always noticed folks running with pistols drawn. Does anyone really do that?

    It was my thought process of muzzle control, trigger discipline, overall control of the firearm goes to crap when you take off running down a street with a handgun...

    Just my thoughts, but for those of you with more experience is this a training scenario that happens?
    I do, and have seen people running with handguns out of the holsters all the time at matches. I havn't been in a warzone, and don't train by running down tejon street with my gun out.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kraven251 View Post
    I guess I am more referencing the people that you see hauling ass with their pistols drawn. I am all about the uspca style of moving with a purpose with a weapon drawn, but just always wondered about the folks you see sprinting etc.
    Don't see a lot of folks around here running around with their guns out other than at matches, but this is just shithole colorado springs. Other places may be different.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kraven251 View Post
    I am talking real world tactics, not competition, but getting to use a environment to test skills and drills under stress without the added bonus of bullets flying in your general direction is always nice.
    I guess I will say this. One poster said something about being programmed to shoot twice, then move. I shoot competitions, but I wouldn't do this. I would attempt to shoot until the threat stopped, I probably wouldn't just stand in place, I'd probably try to make it a little harder for the other person.

    If in said gunfight, I had to reload, or was in a bad spot, I'd try to get behind something that would stop a bullet. I don't think however, that I'd shoot, holster, move to cover, unholster and reload, reholster, run to a new place, unholster and shoot, holster.. etc

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    If you had to draw your CCW, why would you be chasing somebody? I think it would be hard to legally justify a defensive shooting in court if you chased somebody down.

    on the other hand, if you are running away from the threat with your gun drawn, do your best with the same firearms safety rules that you use every other day. Makes sense right? I'm sure if you feel your life is threatened, you probably wouldn't be thinking "now, let's remember those firearms safety rules"... You're probably going to be thinking something more like "GTFO of here fast!!!1!!" And "DON'T DIE!!!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoneyBadger View Post
    If you had to draw your CCW, why would you be chasing somebody? I think it would be hard to legally justify a defensive shooting in court if you chased somebody down.

    on the other hand, if you are running away from the threat with your gun drawn, do your best with the same firearms safety rules that you use every other day. Makes sense right? I'm sure if you feel your life is threatened, you probably wouldn't be thinking "now, let's remember those firearms safety rules"... You're probably going to be thinking something more like "GTFO of here fast!!!1!!" And "DON'T DIE!!!"
    They just snatched your kid from the back yard. OR You witness an assault and go towards instead of away from said assault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoneyBadger View Post
    If you had to draw your CCW, why would you be chasing somebody? I think it would be hard to legally justify a defensive shooting in court if you chased somebody down.

    on the other hand, if you are running away from the threat with your gun drawn, do your best with the same firearms safety rules that you use every other day. Makes sense right? I'm sure if you feel your life is threatened, you probably wouldn't be thinking "now, let's remember those firearms safety rules"... You're probably going to be thinking something more like "GTFO of here fast!!!1!!" And "DON'T DIE!!!"
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    They just snatched your kid from the back yard. OR You witness an assault and go towards instead of away from said assault.

    C: The other person is committing or reasonably appears about to commit kidnapping as defined in section 18-3-301 or 18-3-302, robbery as defined in section 18-4-301 or 18-4-302, sexual assault as set forth in section 18-3-402 or in section 18-3-403 as it existed prior to July 1, 2000, or assault as defined in sections 18-3-202 and 18-3-203.

    I was thinking the same.
    I am not much of a runner (LOL@myself), but if my family is getting kidnapped, I am going to chase that black van down to the river with everything I got.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrPrena View Post
    I was thinking the same.
    I am not much of a runner (LOL@myself), but if my family is getting kidnapped, I am going to chase that black van down to the river with everything I got.

    Well within ones legal right no less. Unfortunately a lot of CCW holders are unaware what's legal / within their rights, when it comes to Use of Deadly Force.
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    ^Exactly!
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    I can envision a CCW scenario where running in a direction other than directly away from the threat might be prudent, when moving to cover/concealment, or to clear a field of fire. I'm no expert, though.
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