Open carry discussion - Muslims

[buffalobo]

This can be an interesting thread, keep it civil.

My own opinion is that I don't have a problem with any American citizen carrying a firearm. As long as they follow the laws and are civil.

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Question for Open Carry Advocates: What if Muslims Start Doing It?

Posted December 16, 2014 in Gun Safety by Jon Stokes with 321 Comments

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Source: Come and Take It America

I’ve been thinking recently about the way that the Satanists are having a field day with so many laws that Christians are passing under the “freedom of religion” banner: stunts like putting a statue of Satan next to the Ten Commandments, or Satanist plans to hand out literature to school kids in Orange County. What if, I wonder, certain groups were to exercise their open carry rights in the same manner.

What if there were a group of Muslim open carry advocates who called themselves “Sword of the Prophet” and whose avowed mission was to bring Sharia law to the US, and they took to showing up armed and in large numbers outside of churches on Sunday, the way the OC guys do at the state house. Or what if there were a group of hispanic activist OCers, maybe an offshoot of La Raza who liked to organize armed protests at police stations and court houses, and who openly advocate the “reconquista” of the Southern US?

Regardless of what OC advocates would answer to any of this, I’m pretty sure the general public would be none too pleased.

What I also wonder is if those who are pushing for open carry, or “constitutional carry” as they’re now calling it, have thought this through. This isn’t a rhetorical question; I’m really dying to know.

And not only is it not a rhetorical question, but it’s not a theoretical question, either, because this will happen. Part of the impetus behind gun control laws in the 70’s was the fact that the Black Panthers were the original “open carry” advocates, and the sight of black radicals walking around openly armed contributed greatly to public support for gun control laws. In describing this phenomenon of the late 60’s, lefty historian Rick Perlstein writes:

Things shifted, of course, when the Panthers started patrolling rich white neighborhoods, including the one where a right-wing supporter of Ronald Reagan in the state assembly, Don Mulford, lived. When the assembly debated Mulford’s subsequent bill to ban the carrying of loaded firearms in public places, Panthers strolled onto the floor of the state assembly fully armed. The Mulford Act passed right quick after that—and, ironically, one of the nation’s first high-profile gun control laws was signed by Governor Ronald Reagan.

So again, I ask, what happens not just to open carry but to the current wave of support for looser gun laws, when avowed revolutionaries tool up and tell white America to “come and take it?”

Update: This post has generated a lot of apparent confusion about what I actually think, with half thinking that I’m a Muslim-hating redneck and the other half thinking that I’m a liberal. Well, let me clear it up: I’m a pro-2A liberal, and I think that if open carry is the law then Muslims should absolutely be allowed to carry. Nowhere in this post do I even hint otherwise. The question I’m asking here is not, “should Muslims be allowed to carry”, but, as the title says in bold letters, “what happens if they start carrying?” In other words, what happens to the public’s support for loosening up gun laws if they see armed Muslims walking the streets?

I have yet to see a single commenter actually address the question that I asked, and I’ve been doing this long enough to know that when that happens, it’s my fault for not being clear enough in the post. So again, let me be clear: I take it as a given that if OC is the law, Muslim citizens will and should be allowed to exercise their 2A rights, so the question I’m asking is, can the American public handle the sight of armed Muslims walking the streets?

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[Guylee]

I'm not gonna lie, I've had enough bad experiences with haj with guns that it would probably make me pretty damn uncomfortable.

[Bailey Guns]

Seems to me that sort of behavior would be illegal as it could be construed as advocating for the overthrow of the government...at least parts of it.

Peaceful open carry by these groups...would definitely cause me some concern, I'll admit. But as long as they're peaceful, and legal citizens, it's their right. But advocating doing away with our courts and system of law, or "reconquest" of parts of our country...no way.

[Rucker61]

Seems to me that sort of behavior would be illegal as it could be construed as advocating for the overthrow of the government...at least parts of it.

Peaceful open carry by these groups...would definitely cause me some concern, I'll admit. But as long as they're peaceful, and legal citizens, it's their right. But advocating doing away with our courts and system of law, or "reconquest" of parts of our country...no way.

These are my thoughts, too.

[JMBD2112]

I'm not gonna lie, I've had enough bad experiences with haj with guns that it would probably make me pretty damn uncomfortable.

Same here.....

[Bailey Guns]

It's my opinion that most people who "protest" by carrying openly are doing so to celebrate our rights, freedoms, history and greatness of our country. The types of protest outlined in the question by the author of that post are doing just the opposite. I personally don't like open carry but understand that many do.

[TFOGGER]

As long as they follow the same laws I have to, let 'em carry. Citizens are citizens, and have the same rights AND the same responsibilities that are commensurate with those rights. As soon as they step over the line by inciting violence, or menacing others, the full weight of the law should descend on them, same as it would you or I.

[roberth]

As long as they follow the same laws I have to, let 'em carry. Citizens are citizens, and have the same rights AND the same responsibilities that are commensurate with those rights. As soon as they step over the line by inciting violence, or menacing others, the full weight of the law should descend on them, same as it would you or I.

I agree.

[ZERO THEORY]

The difference is that I've never met a bible-thumper that was open-carrying and announcing their intentions to persecute us secular hethens. Nor have I met one who wanted to install a strict Calvinist or Baptist rule of law for all people. Another liberal trying to use straw man tactics and exaggeration to misconstrue the argument. So if, like in his example, they were extremists who were outspoken about their intent to dismantle the country, I would not be okay with it. The exact same way I'm not okay with White Nationalists or Black Separatists who want to do the same. It's not a xenophobic or racist issue, despite the author and left's attempts to frame it as such.

I don't have a fear of Muslims. I know people from Morocco, Iran, and Saudi Arabia. If any of them came and asked me to introduce them to firearms and the safe and effective carry of them for defensive purposes, I'd be really happy to see my foreign-born friends wanting to exercise their rights. I'd be proud to share the tradition of our 2nd amendment with brothers who have chosen the opportunity and freedom afforded in this country over the antiquated dogma and oppression of their native lands. So, to answer the author's question without the trickery, I'd be all for it.

I’m a pro-2A liberal

Oil and water.

[TheBelly]

exercise your rights.

I'll exercise mine to not be there.