My take on the difference of Rep/Dem

[theGinsue]

I figured the cards were stacked against me pretty well and per the terms of the court, I attended:
Marriage counseling
Stress management classes
Anger Management classes
Anger Management for Parents classes
& Preventing Maltreatment classes

By the end of it I was fairly whipped into submission and just wanted to go about my life without any more issues. I almost lost my ability to be an AF cop (even after the courts-martial idea got dropped) and almost lost my right to own guns (if it had been classed as "domestic assault" instead of "child abuse", I would have).

While I've tried to put it behind me and take the Christian stance of foregiveness on this I must admit that it does still bother me. But... I just need to let it go and move on.

So......... How about that Obama? Think he'll come up with any more new tax ideas this week?

[ChunkyMonkey]

you are a bigger man than I am!

[GunTroll]

Turning the cheek is hard to do but good for you!

LIBS! LIBS! LIBS! LIBS! LIBS! LIBS! LIBS! LIBS! LIBS! LIBS! LIBS! LIBS! Really piss me off!

[Pancho Villa]

I always wondered why any religious person thinks "Because God said so!" is a stronger moral base than the liberals' "Because I feel like it!"

Both a liberal and a religious person agree that the source of morality is their feelings; the religious person claims they come from a 'revelation' about God's plan for man. The liberal skips the dog-and-pony show and just says thats how he feels. Ultimately they both rest on claiming the power of their feelings to discover what is right.

Before you go saying religion is a more solid base for morality than the liberals' feelings-based nonsense, ask yourself what (ultimately) religious morality rests on.

[Tristan]

Several reason. Number one is that it's just easier. Number two would be because God's moral and ethical standards are a lot higher than mans. So when someone says "because God says so" (which I have rarely heard), there is a choice to make-the standards set by a much higher power-or some person, who is fallible (human).
Most religions strive for a higher state of being-liberals do not.
And religious morals rarely are based on what we "feel". Most times it actually goes against what we feel. So, you feel one way, but the Bible tells you to go a different way.
It would be an absolutely ridiculous argument in some instances.
"I feel like blowing this MF's head off"-whether religious or not, is an emotion everybody feels at one time or another.
So you're saying a liberal would do it and a religious man would too? Not. That is what truly separates a religious man from a non religious man. This is the perfect case in point-what this thread was started over. And this whole discussion.
A liberal, by your definition, does what they do, according to their feeling. But a religious man does what is right-regardless of how he feels.
So it's not about "feelings". It's about doing what is right and what is wrong. Something liberals rarely pay attention to, or they make up their own moral codes as they go along.
The easiest and quickest way to success in anything in life is to pattern yourself after someone who has been successful. A tried and proven method works 9 times out of 10. But we don't see that happening.
Another instance would be MacDonalds. You want a big mac when you're in Japan. It should taste the same, be made the same, etc.
That is what religion gives us. A standard and rules to govern ourselves by. Without it, we are lost and the big mac is different in every MacDonalds you come to.

[Pancho Villa]

Tristan, you're missing the point I was trying to make.

How do you know what morals you're following are right? Religious rules are followed, fundamentally, for the same reason the liberals follow their morals - you 'feel' that what you're doing is right. Religious thinkers labeled this as divine revelation. Thats because (by definition) there's no way to reason out God's will - thats the point, its why to be religious you need faith. So you read the bible and you 'feel' that its right, and fundamentally these rules were not reasoned out, but felt by the originators of it by 'divine revelation' - which is (supposedly, and unproveably) god-inspired feelings. How is that different than the way liberals act out - except that religious people have an older set of rules? And that one set of people claims that they have the sanction of God?

You are lost without an objective, rational morality. I am not advocating for the subjectivism of the liberals. What I am saying is that religious morality is, in the greater scheme of things, irrational and ultimately just as baseless as any liberals' feelings.

[Irving]

I think liberals have their own religion, whether they want to believe it or not. Go on a hike with a hippy and they'll make you stay on the trail the whole time, even when it is ankle deep mud with shin deep water over that.

People who worship the environment set up rules and norms that seem just as difficult as far as a standard of living as the moral ones that religions set up. It's funny to see environmentalist scoff at God fearing people, while they fear Mother Nature just as much. You know what I mean?

[GunTroll]

Liberal religion is probably "humanist". Man has the answers and he is his own ruler. Very arrogant! Belief in Gods rules to live your life haven't changed for a long time! Maybe different definitions of the rules, but not a change in them. Libs change the rules day to day. No set rules to adhere to. Think I'm wrong then look no further than Congress!

Tristan didn't miss your point Pancho. You just can't see his and you want him to see yours and accept it. I'm guessing but neither of you or faith based vs. non-faith based people will ever see eye to eye on this. Its the damn Devil I tell you ! Driving the wedge between God and man. Been that way since day 1 !

Libtards who don't believe in God have a special place waiting for em'!
Come to think of it, ALL who don't believe can have a big block party in HELL when their time comes!

Think.....even if God doesn't exist......the rules that "he" put out for humans to follow are good moral rules to adhere to. So if it was all in vain, at least you lived a good life and treated your fellow man well. Can't say that for mans rules. Just a thought.

When the hell did this turn religious by the way. Pancho you to blame?!?!

[Tristan]

I understand you point, Poncho. And in some cases I'd agree with it. There's an awful lot of fake Christians out there.
But I think you missed my point-it's not about what I "feel" is right or wrong-it's a choice I've made to follow a tried and proven system.
Faith is a whole nother discussion.
Liberals are so mentally weak that one comes up with an idea and then tries to get other lost people to go along with him. And they usually do, because they don't know what else to do. You will not find many successful religious people falling into that trap. They simply don't need to. What they are doing works, so why mess with it?
Such is the case when folks lose their faith, as you mentioned, in the present system. Obama is a prime example. But there are many, many different religions. I am referring to Christianity and I believe you are too.
I am sorry you are bitter/jaded towards such.

[rhineoshott]

Way to go Tristan and Ginsure! I'm completely with you.
I'll let you do the talking