My take on the difference of Rep/Dem

[Delfuego]

I thought this was a Dems/Reps debate, but if we want to wander then so be it.

I personally cannot stand when people paint anyone that disagrees with them as a "liberal". Is this a bad word? Rush Limbaugh (and other political do-nothing pundits) seems to think it has 4 letters.

Webster's Dictionary defines Liberal as....

Main Entry:
1lib·er·al Listen to the pronunciation of 1liberal
Pronunciation:
\ˈli-b(ə-)rəl\
Function:
Adjective
Etymology:
Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Latin liberalis suitable for a freeman, generous, from liber free; perhaps akin to Old English lēodan to grow, Greek eleutheros free
Date:
14th century

1: a: of, relating to, or based on the liberal arts <liberal education> barchaic : of or befitting a man of free birth
2: a: marked by generosity : openhanded <a liberal giver> b: given or provided in a generous and openhanded way <a liberal meal> c: ample, full
3: obsolete : lacking moral restraint : licentious
4: not literal or strict : loose <a liberal translation>
5: broad-minded ; especially : not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or traditional forms

Yeh that sounds bad.....

We also seem to forget or ignore the fact that organized religion is an institute of man. Created by man, for the governance and control of man. It has been altered and amended routinely throughout history to suit changes in policy or views. Religion and beliefs can be a great thing but not at the expense of others that may not agree with others views. We live in a big big world and people are very different from place to place, and time to time. Follow your teachings and learn to accept people's differences, hell enjoy them. I personally hate when everyone has the same opinion or looks the same or all fall in line. I live in a "melting pot", where do you live? I don’t want to live in an Orwellian world, do you?


And as per my offer to play the "Devil's Advocate"

Ginsue:

"Our Founding Fathers plan was to keep government out of religion, not religion out of government."

Really?? And you spoke to our forefathers and they told you this? I thought they implemented the plan to separate church and state. I think this was likely to allow different religions equal protection and freedom under the law. I may be wrong, please ask them when you see them again.

Tristan:

"Another instance would be MacDonalds. You want a big mac when you're in Japan. It should taste the same, be made the same, etc.
That is what religion gives us. A standard and rules to govern ourselves by. Without it, we are lost and the big mac is different in every MacDonalds you come to."

A Big Mac does taste different in other countries. McDonalds tunes their menu for local flavors. Don’t believe me go try a hamburger from Mickey D's in Hong Kong!

Sturtle:

"I think liberals have their own religion, whether they want to believe it or not. Go on a hike with a hippy and they'll make you stay on the trail the whole time, even when it is ankle deep mud with shin deep water over that."

Is this some broad generalization or do you often go hiking with "hippies"?

And I am just getting warmed up………

Pedro

[GunTroll]

the problem I have with liberals is the complete lack of parity. you must conform to their world view. there is zero live and let live......

you must celebrate diversity by accepting our lifestyle, but fuck you if you want to own a gun.

we love democracy as long as it goes our way, if not then we protest in the streets.

universities are bastions of higher learning and free speech, but if you say something we don't like we'll yell, rush the stage, and throw things at you.

guns hurt kids and should be banned, but a woman has the right to kill an unborn any time she likes.

al sharpton says "you're not allowed to say that, it's offensive" kanye says "she ain't messin with no broke niggas"

gay man in west hollywood hangs sarah palin in effigy for two weeks with no problems. straight boys in texas hang obama in effigy and get charged with a hate crime.

if I point my finger in a threatening manner and say "bang!" I can be charged with assault, but terrorists trying to kill americans deserve miranda rights and constitutional freedoms.

I can keep going, but I think the point has been made.

I believe this says it all. Well said!

I'll take a liberal approach. Agree with me or start your own thread!

[Irving]

90&#37; of the people you encounter on a serious hike are hippies. Especially when they invite you.

Anyway, I could have elaborated more, but I was just trying to point out that people who don't like religion because of the strict rules, will sometimes have their own set of strict rules that they try to live by themselves. Take a vegan for example. A Vegan telling a religious person that they are an extremist is the pot calling the kettle black. The same goes for someone who is strongly religious telling a Vegan that they are weak willed or something. It goes both ways. That is the point I was getting at. I wasn't trying to pigeon hole every person into two groups, there is of course more diversity than that. I was just making an observation.

[Delfuego]

You know 80% of statistics are made up.

And as for Parity... I dont see it either.

Parity
Main Entry:
1par·i·ty
Pronunciation:
\ˈper-ə-tē, ˈpa-rə-\
Function:
noun
Inflected Form(s):
plural par·i·ties
Etymology:
Latin paritas, from par equal
Date:
1608
1: the quality or state of being equal or equivalent
2 a: equivalence of a commodity price expressed in one currency to its price expressed in another b: equality of purchasing power established by law between different kinds of money at a given ratio
3: an equivalence between farmers' current purchasing power and their purchasing power at a selected base period maintained by government support of agricultural commodity prices
4 a: the property of an integer with respect to being odd or even <3 and 7 have the same parity> b (1): the state of being odd or even used as the basis of a method of detecting errors in binary-coded data (2): parity bit
5: the property of oddness or evenness of a quantum mechanical function6: the symmetry of behavior in an interaction of a physical entity (as a subatomic particle) with that of its mirror image

Maybe you/we/them should also "live and let live".
PS: Adding quotes from Al Sharpton and Kanye West does not add clarity to your opinion, you might as well quote Scoobie-Doo and Shaggy.

[Tristan]

You know 80% of statistics are made up.

Ya, a study came out last year that confirms that 92% of studies are incorrect.
And I have had a Big Mac in Hong Kong. And in Tokyo. And in Moscow.
That's my point-it's still the same anywhere you go-yes, they cater to certain tastes, with different meat and spices added to the sauce and such. But the process they use, the methods of business and their policies vary very little. MacDonalds is a very successful business based upon a very successful business model-that's why I brought it up.
But just like when our great Country was founded, the rules/laws were meant to be the same all over. When Mikky D's first sprouted all over the world, a big mac in hong kong was the exact same as here.
Jeesh, I remember when the mikky d's sign said "almost 1 million sold".......
Damn mexicans! You guys really stick together, don't ya?! jk
The sad part about this whole deal is now I and others are labeled as extreme right-wingers. Yet 100 years ago, we would be considered very mild conservatives.
That's how stuff has changed.
And who labels us as such?
The libtyards.
Not us.
Yet true Republicanism hasn't changed-just like someone mentioned earlier, it's the label.
Regardless, I'm an American and proud and actually kinda mean. And I personally believe that if you're not a republican, then you don't belong in this country. Since some here want to quote others and dictionary definitions, then find a true copy of the constitution-you may be amazed.

[Jumpstart]

How to be a good LIBERAL...

> Another one of those silly missives that captures the heart of liberalism
> so well.
> Still having a hard time believing any person who has attained any level
> of intelligence and logic can sit 'on that side of the aisle'.
>
> **How To Be a Good Liberal... **
>
You have to be against capital punishment, but support abortion on demand.**
>
You have to believe that businesses create oppression and governments
create prosperity.**

You have to believe that guns in the hands of law-abiding Americans
are more of a threat than U.S. nuclear weapons technology in the hands
of Chinese and North Korean Communists.**

You have to believe that there was no art before federal funding.**

You have to believe that global temperatures are less affected by cyclical documented changes in the earth's climate and more affected by soccer moms driving SUV's.**
>
You have to believe that defined gender roles are artificial but being
homosexual is natural.**
>
You have to believe that the AIDS virus is spread by a lack of federal funding.**
>
You have to believe that the same teacher who can't teach 4th graders
how to read is somehow qualified to teach those same kids about sex.**
>
You have to believe that hunters don't care about nature, but loony
activists who have never been outside of San Francisco do.**
>
You have to believe that self-esteem is more important than actually doing something to earn it.**
>
You have to believe the NRA is bad because it supports certain parts of the Constitution, while the ACLU is good because it supports certain
parts of the Constitution.**
>
You have to believe that taxes are too low, but ATM fees are too high.**
>
You have to believe that Margaret Sanger and Gloria Steinem are more important to American history than Thomas Jefferson, Gen. Robert E. Lee, Thomas Edison, and Alexander Graham Bell.**
>
You have to believe that standardized tests are racist, but racial quotas and set-asides are not.**
>
You have to believe that Hillary Clinton is normal and that she is a
very nice person.**
>
You have to believe that the only reason socialism hasn't worked any-
where it's been tried is because the right people haven't been in charge.**
>
You have to believe that conservatives telling the truth belong in
jail, but a liar and a sex offender belonged in the White House.**
>
You have to believe that homosexual parades displaying drag queens,
transvestites, and bestiality should be constitutionally protected, and
Christian manger scenes at Christmas should be illegal.**
>
You have to believe that illegal Democratic Party funding by the
Chinese government is somehow in the best interest to the United States.**
>
You have to believe that it's okay to give federal workers Christmas
Day off but it's not okay to say "Merry Christmas."**
>
You have to believe that this message is a part of a vast right wing
conspiracy. **
>
Needless to say, I am not a liberal.

[Delfuego]

Very Funny!

The reason for the definitions is that people often use words improperly to prove a point, but frequently they contradict their own statements.

But is seems to me you are the one who keeps labeling people.

"And who labels us as such? The libtyards."

Come on, is this a discussion or a name calling contest. I am trying to be forthright and sincere. I detest name calling on the internet or in person.

I think you may be mistaken on the evolution of conservatism. It seems to be working in the opposite direction. The Conservatives of 30-40 years ago were people like Nixon, Kissinger and William F Buckley. They would be moderates by today’s standards.

"if you're not a republican, then you don't belong in this country". If you believe this you should start your own country, because this country was started on the concept of freedom. We have the right to believe what we wish. If you want to live in a Communist (1 Party) state then have at it. And don’t you ever question my patriotism.

And I hope people can do better than copying and pasting some dumb (not funny) email into this thread.

I am still just gettting warmed up!

PS: I am not Mexican... Try again

[Tristan]

You say you don't like name calling and then you say "dumb". That's dumb.
So you want to turn this from a friendly discussion into an idiotfest?
It was a joke.
And libytard was just a much of a joke. That's why I said it.
Also, again, read the Constitution.
And I personally don't give a flying you-know-what about you patriotism. No one questioned it. You are really barking up the wrong tree.
Act intelligent and mature and I'm sure we can have a great debate. Act like this and I won't talk to you. Ha.
p.s.-it also would appear that you are not up to date on you politics. Kissinger is the one who schooled Obama and is still around-yes, even in the white house. So you proved my point about the direction it has taken-the wrong one.
I know you're not mexican-again it was a joke. Get a life. Jeesh. But apparently you would like to think of yourself as such. Go ahead! That's what America is all about.

[Jumpstart]

Very Funny!

The reason for the definitions is that people often use words improperly to prove a point, but frequently they contradict their own statements.

But is seems to me you are the one who keeps labeling people.

"And who labels us as such? The libtyards."

Come on, is this a discussion or a name calling contest. I am trying to be forthright and sincere. I detest name calling on the internet or in person.

I think you may be mistaken on the evolution of conservatism. It seems to be working in the opposite direction. The Conservatives of 30-40 years ago were people like Nixon, Kissinger and William F Buckley. They would be moderates by today’s standards.

"if you're not a republican, then you don't belong in this country". If you believe this you should start your own country, because this country was started on the concept of freedom. We have the right to believe what we wish. If you want to live in a Communist (1 Party) state then have at it. And don’t you ever question my patriotism.

And I hope people can do better than copying and pasting some dumb (not funny) email into this thread.

I am still just gettting warmed up!

PS: I am not Mexican... Try again

Easy there big guy..I guess it's okay for you to copy and paste dictionary definitions then? Yawn....

[Tristan]

You say you don't like name calling and then you say "dumb". That's dumb.
So you want to turn this from a friendly discussion into an idiotfest?
It was a joke.
And libytard was just a much of a joke. That's why I said it.
Also, again, read the Constitution.
And I personally don't give a flying you-know-what about you patriotism. No one questioned it. You are really barking up the wrong tree.
Act intelligent and mature and I'm sure we can have a great debate. Act like this and I won't talk to you. Ha.
p.s.-it also would appear that you are not up to date on you politics. Kissinger is the one who schooled Obama and is still around-yes, even in the white house. So you proved my point about the direction it has taken-the wrong one.
I know you're not mexican-again it was a joke. Get a life. Jeesh. But apparently you would like to think of yourself as such. Go ahead! That's what America is all about.