My take on the difference of Rep/Dem

[ChunkyMonkey]

I thought this was a Dems/Reps debate, but if we want to wander then so be it.

I personally cannot stand when people paint anyone that disagrees with them as a "liberal". Is this a bad word? Rush Limbaugh (and other political do-nothing pundits) seems to think it has 4 letters.

It's not a bad word. Liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. I personally like preservation of my birth rights and voluntary private decisions which unlike liberal version of 'equality,' my good decision may profit better than the surrounding people.

Webster's Dictionary defines Liberal as....

Main Entry:
1lib·er·al Listen to the pronunciation of 1liberal
Pronunciation:
\ˈli-b(ə-)rəl\
Function:
Adjective
Etymology:
Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Latin liberalis suitable for a freeman, generous, from liber free; perhaps akin to Old English lēodan to grow, Greek eleutheros free
Date:
14th century

1: a: of, relating to, or based on the liberal arts <liberal education> barchaic : of or befitting a man of free birth
2: a: marked by generosity : openhanded <a liberal giver> b: given or provided in a generous and openhanded way <a liberal meal> c: ample, full
3: obsolete : lacking moral restraint : licentious
4: not literal or strict : loose <a liberal translation>
5: broad-minded ; especially : not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or traditional forms

Yeh that sounds bad.....

Yes it sounds bad!

We also seem to forget or ignore the fact that organized religion is an institute of man. Created by man, for the governance and control of man. It has been altered and amended routinely throughout history to suit changes in policy or views. Religion and beliefs can be a great thing but not at the expense of others that may not agree with others views. We live in a big big world and people are very different from place to place, and time to time. Follow your teachings and learn to accept people's differences, hell enjoy them. I personally hate when everyone has the same opinion or looks the same or all fall in line. I live in a "melting pot", where do you live? I don’t want to live in an Orwellian world, do you?

You miss out on the real issue - which is a whole other topic. There is no such thing as melting pot - show me one instance and I ll stand corrected.

Ginsue:

"Our Founding Fathers plan was to keep government out of religion, not religion out of government."

Really?? And you spoke to our forefathers and they told you this? I thought they implemented the plan to separate church and state. I think this was likely to allow different religions equal protection and freedom under the law. I may be wrong, please ask them when you see them again.

His claim has validity, although Thomas might have meant belief instead of religion. The word 'God' is mentioned in final sentence of the Constitution and in many forefathers letters. The first amendment prevents the U.S. from an establishment of religion and guarantees free religious exercise in this land -- However, this country is based on a belief in God. And obviously belief and religions are two completely different things. I have argued with many on the topic. Some could not see through it, while others, like myself, who am not necessarily religious yet have beliefs, can see it clearly.

Tristan:

"Another instance would be MacDonalds. You want a big mac when you're in Japan. It should taste the same, be made the same, etc.
That is what religion gives us. A standard and rules to govern ourselves by. Without it, we are lost and the big mac is different in every MacDonalds you come to."

A Big Mac does taste different in other countries. McDonalds tunes their menu for local flavors. Don’t believe me go try a hamburger from Mickey D's in Hong Kong!

Again, you need to see through his thought. The end result of every big mac is the same. It doesn't necessarily mean taste rather than satisfaction.

Sturtle:

"I think liberals have their own religion, whether they want to believe it or not. Go on a hike with a hippy and they'll make you stay on the trail the whole time, even when it is ankle deep mud with shin deep water over that."

Is this some broad generalization or do you often go hiking with "hippies"?

And I am just getting warmed up………

Pedro

Do you always like to take things out of context?

[Tristan]

Why did it double post double post?? Sorry.

[ChunkyMonkey]

I dont know I dont know that's ok that's ok!

[Tristan]

Thnaks!
Thnaks!

[Delfuego]

Anyone who disagrees here seems to be some kinda nut.

Sometimes I feel like a nut.... sometimes I don't.

This country was founded by people looking for religious freedom. Separation of "Church and State" is one of the main goals of the formation of our country. This was to protect religious freedoms and allow people to worship in their own way. Just because now we dont have wars between different Christian churches, does not mean it has always been this way.

And as for Kissinger (who I think is a total numbskull), the fact that he is counseling (not as you say schooling; they have not know each other very long) Obama, proves that he is now a middle of the road politician. Because the "Right" has moved so far to the right they left him in the middle.

MB888:

And it was not out of context, in fact it was within context, thats why the quotes were there.

Tristan:

No melting-pot? I personally have friends, relative and neighbors that have come from all different parts of the world and now live here. They look different, talk different and have different beliefs than my own. I would call that a melting-pot. What would you call it?

And I still have not broken a sweat yet!

PS: I called the joke dumb, not the person.

PSS: You did not know I was not a Mexican until I told you i was not.

[ChunkyMonkey]

So you are like my left nut?

[GunTroll]

This is retarded. Yes I said retarded! Debate away but in the name of ___ keep it on topic!

How about this.....since I started this whole DUMB thread out of anger because of the dumb libtards of this country......I will say, it is however nice that all (Americans) aren't on the same page. If we all marched to the same tune then we would be, well not American.

I don't know how to multi quote because I'm dumb.

Sturtle, you are a closet hippy. You have played disc golf! And go hiking, and hiking with hippies at that. Get over it!

Delfuego aka Pedro, you are not Mexican! Get over it! This guy does exsist and he isn't Mexican. You like to stir shet up, so what! Still ain't Mexican!

The Ginsue, you the man!

Tristan, see above.

MB888 look two up!

Jumpstart, you still haten on Mexicans? Delfuego isn't Mexican. I do however think he likes "Spanish" music while shopping at Sportsmans.

Elhuero, you kind of funny! And nailed it best so far. Not to deep, not too shallow!

Pancho, deep man very deep! Too deep for shallow minds.

Rest of you have made no direct impact on this thread. Try harder!

Fuck it. MJ is dead who cares anyway!

[theGinsue]

Ginsue:

"Our Founding Fathers plan was to keep government out of religion, not religion out of government."

Really?? And you spoke to our forefathers and they told you this? I thought they implemented the plan to separate church and state. I think this was likely to allow different religions equal protection and freedom under the law. I may be wrong, please ask them when you see them again.

I dont have to actually speak with them. While sarcastic and condescending, your manner of speech belies an education, and perhaps intellect. I have. In fact, I've spent a great deal of time and energy studying our history - with a particular focus of the period from the mid-1600's into the early 1800's. While my career and formal education has focused on IT and Computer Science, my self-educational pursuits have always been towards our nations origins. I'd hazard to say that I've studied this era as much as any U.S. History PhD candidate.

With all of that said, I believe that I have some ground to make the claim that I'm not speaking from ignorance. I also believe that what you have stated is A PART of the truth - but fails to look at the whole picture.


You are right though - this thread moved well away from where it started so I'm going to stop here and let this thread be what it was intended to be; differences between Rep/Dem.

ETA: WHOOPS - I skipped ahead in the posts again and missed the last post before posting my statement above. GunTroll - Please accept my apologies for hijacking this thread again - it wasn''t intentional.

[Delfuego]

You are right Troll.....

I am just trying to stir up shit, and I do listen to and dance and to Latin/Salsa music. And I like wise latina women... he he he

However I am a card carring Democrat, my whole life. Goes back to my parents and family.

My only point would that maybe we have more in common, than we have differences.

Pedro....OUT!

GunTroll: It was nice to meet you and good luck on your new endeavor!

[Irving]

How did I get brought into this? My hiking experience is limited to my failed attempt at a 14'er (mount Harvard) and who better to show you the ropes than a damn hippy?