Should students be armed with cans?

[Zundfolge]

As I said in the Funny Pics thread:

I saw this earlier today and my initial reaction was to shake my head and end in a nice facepalm. But then I got to thinking and for a moment the curtains of cynicism lifted and I realised that this is actually a step forward. At least these Marxist/Alinskyite Union Teachers are starting to acknowledge the efficacy of (and possibly even rightness of) self defense. Sure the method is stupid but this is a huge step forward for people who here-to-fore would have insisted that their students try to empathize with their would be killers and figure out what they had done to deserve being murdered.

Silver linings and all that.

Again, I agree that the idea in and of itself is dumb ... might even go so far as say stupid and irresponsible. BUT it is a sign that the closed leftist mind of the Union Teacher is opening up to the possibility that self defense is not a greater evil than mass murder.

[Sawin]

I'm sorry, but I guess I would like to have something that I could try and defend myself with. I think we are having a difference of culture here. I'm was country kid, not a city kid. I think there is a big difference there. I was brought up to take care of myself. I agree the younger the kids get, the less likely they could throw hard or açurately. When you get to 9-10 years old, a country kid has thrown a lot of rocks. If they understood when to throw the cans at the attacker would be another question. Don't throw unless you can't escape or evade.

That's more in line with my thinking/experience too. I am 100% FOR the empowerment and awareness mentality and teaching it to our kids, but giving them a canned good and equating it to a defensive tool, when we already know it's woefully inadequate and will be a failure in nearly all foreseeable conditions.... I want my kid to get the F outta there as fast a humanly possible.

If they were to train as a team, such as with sports, and each had a "game plan" for an event such as an attack, then we'd be having a different conversation right now.... but simply giving them a canned good without any kind of teamwork or plan in place, is basically worthless in my opinion.

[JohnnyDrama]

I heard of this scheme as well. My first thought was that at least the someone has self defense in mind. Empowering people and teaching them to refuse to be victims could be only the first step. Towards what I'm not sure. I imagine twenty or so soup cans being hurled at an attacker would have a distracting effect. There would also be the possibility of slipping on the cans once they were all over the floor. In the end though we can all guess what happens when you bring a can to a gun fight.

As a side note, I participated in a defensive pistol scenario that began by throwing a bottle at the nearest popper before drawing your pistol and engaging other targets.

[68Charger]

Sounds like a fun one for the shoot house. Bring a bin of commonly available items found in a classroom. The items can be randomly scattered around the room. 21 on 1 seems fair if only the aggressor has a firearm and the aggressor gets to choose the time to attack while the 21 perform meaningless tasks over a half hour period.

My guess is the most successful option would depend on how quickly the defenders recognize the threat and whether they gang rush the aggressor quickly enough to limit the damage.

I would think the video from the exercise would look like French police storming a super market with similar results.

Be safe.

Put a tennis ball launcher that is triggered by a target at a stage... fires tennis balls back at the shooter from a different location.
(not that we'd be training to counteract this scenario, it just seems like an interesting stage)

Not to mention your average students reaction is probably going to be flight, not fight.

Bingo- and I'll add additional on top of that... IF you tell them they could possibly stop an attacker with a can of peas (unrealistic), then how do you deal with their emotional/psychological state after when it doesn't work (assuming they survive for another reason) or how do you explain that you made children targets by telling them to come out of hiding and throw a can of peas at them. This is along the same lines as the "pee on your rapist, that'll stop them" thinking.

I heard of this scheme as well. My first thought was that at least the someone has self defense in mind. Empowering people and teaching them to refuse to be victims could be only the first step. Towards what I'm not sure. I imagine twenty or so soup cans being hurled at an attacker would have a distracting effect. There would also be the possibility of slipping on the cans once they were all over the floor. In the end though we can all guess what happens when you bring a can to a gun fight.

As a side note, I participated in a defensive pistol scenario that began by throwing a bottle at the nearest popper before drawing your pistol and engaging other targets.

The take away from this would be "At least they realize that their current method doesn't work well"... but this 8oz can idea is just dumb.

[sniper7]

I could see cans getting stolen, kids getting sick off the contents and suing the schools. Or an infestation of mice or rats when they find the stash because out of all the schools in this country, the extreme majority of them will never open the door to the cans. The locks would probably rust shut before they needed to be used.

[earplug]

I thought this was about saving the students hearing while firing inside the school.

[CO Hugh]

I could see tomahawks and spears, but this is ridiculous.

I get very frustrated when I think about that a bit over 100 years ago families were fighting off Indians and other varmints and now we are told to piss ourselves to scare off attacks.

Maybe they could at least construct active shooter kits: rope, wedges and zip ties to keep doors closed.

As an aside a friend of mine mentioned seeing a place where you could purchase an "active shooter kit" with such accessories, I looked and could not find it. If anyone has any ideas or the website let me know. Thanks.

[Sawin]

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Maybe they could at least construct active shooter kits: rope, wedges and zip ties to keep doors closed.

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This is a significantly better idea, in my opinion, if escape is not an option.

[StagLefty]

Is there a 15 ounce limit and do you need an FCL to transfer the can ?

[Dave_L]

I find it ironic that they understand that when you oppose a shooter, it makes life harder for them. But they won't admit a trained person (CCW holder) that can shoot bullets back is a good idea.