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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiro View Post
    Still, no reason not to do what mahkcod asks and contact these folks. Push them, if they just kill it in committee then the D's in that list have to start feeling vulnerable.

    Good info that I was unaware of, that the house controls all the committee heads.
    Squeaky wheel gets the grease ... I agree that these repeals are a long shot at best, but by making our voices heard we do two things. 1) Keep the issue alive in in the forefront and 2) make the Dems nervous ... make them realize that their gun laws are extremely unpopular so that they don't try to pass more of them and so that some of them (either vulnerable ones or the unicorn like "Moderate Democrats") decide that it would be better for their continued employment to stop fighting us (and maybe even join us).

    Most of all our silence encourages the antis.
    Modern liberalism is based on the idea that reality is obligated to conform to one's beliefs because; "I have the right to believe whatever I want".

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    A World Without Guns <- Great Read!

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    Default Monday, February 2 - Gun Rights Bills Being Heard in Colorado

    https://www.nraila.org/articles/2015...nver-next-week

    Okay do/should we show up in force for this? Is there going to be public comment? What can I do to help? More importantly what are YOU doing to help?
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    I have emailed and called my rep's. Have not received even a canned reply from any of them. I will do it again tomorrow as well.

    I would be willing to go to Denver for the day to show support if anyone from NorCO is going and can give me a ride. I can chip in a little for gas.
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    wctriumph,

    Consider asking the member how he/she intends to vote. Almost all advocacy contacts (email, phone, mail, etc) simply tells us how the advocate wants us to vote (for or against). Compiling lists of those who are for or against is data collection for the legislator.

    When it comes to professional advocates (lobbyists), they almost always ask us "Are you familiar with (Bill Title and Name)?" If so, then they'll ask, "How do you intend to vote?" That's all 100% OK. In Colorado, there are no "present" votes. Our options are "Yes" or "No." If a legislator isn't there to vote, it's either "Excused or "Absent." Asking us "how will you vote?" generally leads to three options: Support (Yes) Oppose (No) or Undecided. Thank those who agree with you, make note of those who are opposed, and inform/educate any who are undecided.

    Most advocacy is based on sheer volume. When it comes to the Second Amendment, there isn't much room to be undecided. Asking "how will you vote" might generate more response. Form emails or letters don't mean much. A clear answer to a direct question is valuable.

    Some people get offended when I encourage them to ask "how will you vote?" It isn't an attempt to stifle input. It isn't rudeness. It IS an effective and efficient way to learn what YOU need to know. If we already agree, then there's no need to educate or convince. We we disagree, then educating or convincing isn't likely to succeed in changing the other person's opinion. If the legislator is undecided, then educate, inform, convince! Asking is empowering. Answering is way more fun and productive.

    Hope this helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SenHolbert View Post
    wctriumph,

    Consider asking the member how he/she intends to vote. Almost all advocacy contacts (email, phone, mail, etc) simply tells us how the advocate wants us to vote (for or against). Compiling lists of those who are for or against is data collection for the legislator.

    When it comes to professional advocates (lobbyists), they almost always ask us "Are you familiar with (Bill Title and Name)?" If so, then they'll ask, "How do you intend to vote?" That's all 100% OK. In Colorado, there are no "present" votes. Our options are "Yes" or "No." If a legislator isn't there to vote, it's either "Excused or "Absent." Asking us "how will you vote?" generally leads to three options: Support (Yes) Oppose (No) or Undecided. Thank those who agree with you, make note of those who are opposed, and inform/educate any who are undecided.

    Most advocacy is based on sheer volume. When it comes to the Second Amendment, there isn't much room to be undecided. Asking "how will you vote" might generate more response. Form emails or letters don't mean much. A clear answer to a direct question is valuable.

    Some people get offended when I encourage them to ask "how will you vote?" It isn't an attempt to stifle input. It isn't rudeness. It IS an effective and efficient way to learn what YOU need to know. If we already agree, then there's no need to educate or convince. We we disagree, then educating or convincing isn't likely to succeed in changing the other person's opinion. If the legislator is undecided, then educate, inform, convince! Asking is empowering. Answering is way more fun and productive.

    Hope this helps.
    Thanks a lot for the info Senator.

    I know it's been said before, but the fact that you log onto this forum and give input, share info etc, really speaks volume. You truly know what working for the constituents is all about.

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    I second that. Thank you, Senator!
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    Unfortunately Ds out number Rs by one in each committee. Would love to see all of these pass through and Hick sign off on them but... yeah I dont even know what else to say here. Thanks for the effort Senator.

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    I just learned something. Thank you Senator!
    If the Odds are equal, you're doing it wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by KAPA View Post
    Unfortunately Ds out number Rs by one in each committee. Thanks for the effort Senator.
    This just means the mission is more focused. It means the mission is to convince the few who are undecided that they should vote to repeal. It means we only need to convince 2 undecided senators or reps. in each committee. More would be better in the case of democrats voting to repeal, or republicans voting to ban.

    That's 4 people minimum that need to be convinced.

    I thought it was the whip's job to work to convince undecided senators or representatives to vote one way or the other. Who is that guy in your committee Senator?
    Last edited by boomerhc9; 01-30-2015 at 00:49. Reason: punctuation creates clarity

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    Mandy connell just tasked me with finding out which dems we need to convince to flip. What are their names? She said she will put it on her blog and broadcast it as well. It was a free for all friday so I figured I would call her to help spread the message!


    ETA: Nevermind found it.
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