Call to action!!! House Bill 1009, House Bill 1049, House Bill 1050

[mtnrider]

Colorado isn't going back anytime soon, unfortunately. Our weed laws and craft beer are magnets for hordes of the wrong political affiliation. The reps don't actually listen, they just play the game. Hick rubbed it in our faces and our state wouldn't vote him out. This isn't Colorado anymore.

^ Yep. Between the Pot and the anti-freedom laws we are already making our plans to move out of here within the next few years. Colorado is done and we are done with Colorado. Not a place I want to raise my family in any more. This state had the chance to fix this in the last election and they blew it. Everything that was gained in the recall elections was pissed away. Such a waste.

[Mtn.man]

Tyranny is usually thought of as cruel and oppressive, and it often is, but the original definition of the term was rule by persons who lack legitimacy, whether they be malign or benevolent. Historically, benign tyrannies have tended to be insecure, and to try to maintain their power by becoming increasingly oppressive. Therefore, rule that initially seems benign is inherently dangerous, and the only security is to maintain legitimacy — an unbroken accountability to the people through the framework of a written constitution that provides for election of key officials and the division of powers among branches and officials in a way that avoids concentration of powers in the hands of a few persons who might then abuse those powers. Tyranny is an important phenomenon that operates by principles by which it can be recognized in its early emerging stages, and, if the people are vigilant, prepared, and committed to liberty, countered before it becomes entrenched.

http://www.constitution.org/tyr/prin_tyr.htm

[TFOGGER]

Keep in mind, all of these bills have counterparts in the Senate, which will likely make it out of committee and on to the floor. These have a much better chance(albeit small) of making it to Hick's desk.

[MED]

Keep in mind, all of these bills have counterparts in the Senate, which will likely make it out of committee and on to the floor. These have a much better chance(albeit small) of making it to Hick's desk.

No, they have no chance. The bills will be assigned to the Speaker's kill committee the same as the house bills. The state legislature doesn't have a Rules committee, but both the Speaker of the House and President of the Senate stack one committee for a favorable vote, which is their kill committee. Not one pro gun bill will make it to the House floor this session or next...end of story,

[DeusExMachina]

Dan Thurlow, Republican of district 55 (Mesa county) voted against the "shall sign" bill for NFA items. If you are a constituent, please remind him of his job.

[Jer]

I find it pathetic that people are blaming pot and beer. These are usually the same people who find every excuse in the book to NOT support a proposed bill. Grow up.

We are our own worst enemy and every year that passes I'm continually amazed at how we invest more time to shoot ourselves in the foot as a group than we do fighting for our rights.

Because of this, nothing will change in our favor and things will continue to get worse. They anti-2A crowd is focused on one goal: taking our guns. The pro-2A crowd can't decide on the word 'if' or 'or' in a specific sentence of a single bill. Sheesh.

Our approach should be a rabid support of any and ALL things pro-2A but we have too many people that fancy themselves geniuses that are quick to prove that fact 'finding' faults that don't exist.

[mtnrider]

I find it pathetic that people are blaming pot and beer. These are usually the same people who find every excuse in the book to NOT support a proposed bill. Grow up.

I am Not blaming this "on" the pot. But pot is a BIG reason the wife and I are deciding to leave this state. It's not something I want my kids growing up thinking it is okay to use. I grew up around it, seen what it has done to several of my good friends first hand. Don't want to be a part of it. End of story.

[Jer]

I'm not blaming pot and beer but that attraction generally doesn't bring in very pro-2a people. I know that's a general statement and not always true so yes, take it with a grain of salt.

17% of the voters in the last CO election were in the age bracket of 18-34. 2.5% higher than the next bracket of 35-44. That 17% is up 1.5% from 2010 while all other brackets (minus 65+) fell. The millennials are getting involved in voting due to Obama and his push when he first ran. It's good to have more people involved but I don't see THAT many millennials concerned with 2A rights, do you? Maybe I'm wrong but being 30 years old, I have a facebook circle that is made of of people in the 25-35 year old bracket, for the most part. I'd say that I see more posts concerned with beer/football/weed growing/socially responsible/etc than guns and gun rights. I've been called ancient, just spewing the rhetoric that my mom and dad told me to say, and told that there is such a thing as free lunch. Yes, by someone in the above mentioned age bracket.

So yes, I will continue my push for 2A rights. But judging off what I've seen, the hope is slim. We have a governer that wouldn't put a convicted killer to death. He even said he'd give full amnesty if he didn't win the election. Blatantly said he didn't even read up on the laws he signed into force and laughed about it. Yet what happened....nothing. As a state, how do we not vote him out based on principle (let alone trampling on our 2A rights) after that? That is where my dismay comes from. Yes, more recalls. More pounding the pavement. But I'm telling you, we're not having the right influx of people to help turn this ship around going forward.

Does that mean I refuse to "grow up", no. I still support our 2A in every way I can. I'm just concerned for the trend I'm seeing.

People looking for excuses as to why we lost a chunk of our freedoms a couple of years ago. People who are focused on getting them back and LOT more see those who partake in smoking pot as those who appreciate a society where you are allowed to make your own choices, right or wrong, and live with those. The people who continue seeing those who smoke pot as the enemy are part of the problem. Continue alienating a large segment of the populace and then wonder why your freedoms are taken away largely by a group who has no reason to do otherwise. Smart people would reach out to those people and use this new relaxation of pot laws as an example of how working together for a common Liberty-loving goal is a good thing for everyone involved save for the government.

The reason mellenials don't care as much about 2A rights is because a bunch of old white guys who never do anything wrong preach to them all the time about how evil smoking pot is.

The pro-2A community is so busy preaching about freedoms while trying to take them from others that it gets difficult for those on the outside looking in to see anything other than a two-faced group of self-righteous bigots. I'm ashamed to be lumped in with a group of so narrow minded people but it's a requirement to support 2A rights. Just like I can't stand what the NRA has become but it's a necessary evil. Maybe along those lines we should make more of an effort to reach out to those who also love freedom even if their subject matter is different than ours. Hell, if you can't find it in your heart to be big enough to do that at least stop blaming them and calling them names.

I am Not blaming this "on" the pot. But pot is a BIG reason the wife and I are deciding to leave this state. It's not something I want my kids growing up thinking it is okay to use. I grew up around it, seen what it has done to several of my good friends first hand. Don't want to be a part of it. End of story.

So you need the government to tell your kids what's right and wrong?



Do you do EVERYTHING that is is legal or do you make your own mind up on those? Cigarettes are legal so do you smoke and teach your kids the value of smoking? Legislating morality with things like the failed war on drugs needs to stop. Now.

[mtnrider]

So you need the government to tell your kids what's right and wrong?

Nope they know right from wrong, just don't want them surrounded by a bunch of idiots.

[Jer]

Nope they know right from wrong, just don't want them surrounded by a bunch of idiots.

You better buy an island somewhere and keep them sheltered from reality then because, brace yourself, they're already surrounded by idiots.

I noticed you skipped over the smoking questions. Convenient.